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[skitter30]

If Datisi's replies in a satisfactory manner, I'm switching my vote to VP.

Also why dont you like vp?

[Cape90]

I'm not reading Monkey as scum. He's been pretty abrasive and loose, but I don't think get a maf vibe from.

when you and monkey are both mafia this comment makes sense .

I am glad Monkey posted 548 it really goes to show how they are literally not playing the game in town's best interests.

First

Save the Dragons is also town.

woo hoo!

Town
Frogsterking
Nero Cain
DeasVail
fua
fireisredsir
VP Baltar
Yeet

Null
Scorpious
MalcolmTucker
Datisi
skitter30
Eyes without a face
Aristeia
Cape90
Nordom
GeneralWu

Scum
tenebrousluminary
humaneatingmonkey

VOTE: tenebro

STD has Wu as the 3rd scummist

my list isn't ordered my bad

STD has Wu as the 3rd scummist

my list isn't ordered my bad

Would you like to explain any of your opinions, Sir Knight?

haha

Could you at least explain why you want to extinguish my beautiful light, Sir Knight?

It is difficult to assess the motivations of votes against me, as Mx. Oboro says I must, if no motivation is provided.

i want pressure on you mostly, it's a gut read and i want to see how you respond

VOTE: eyes without a face

Someone towncase Save The Dragons as well. This is the entirety of their content so far.
GO

[Nordom]

VPBaltar (the guy who I'm scumreading) made an effort to give reads on a wider scope of players after a read of the game.

Whatever. I don't want to get into this exhausting debate with you, skitter, about this shit. I'm officially letting it go.

[Nordom]

If Datisi's replies in a satisfactory manner, I'm switching my vote to VP.

Also why dont you like vp?

I'm not one to discount a player to give preliminary reads on a re-read, but his reads were just too safe. There's nothing aggressive about them, other than projecting him as a "well-meaning" town player.

[skitter30]

A trick containing a trump is won by the hand playing the highest trump. A trick not containing a trump is won by the hand playing the highest card of the suit led. The winner of each trick leads next.

Wrong game >.>
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Ok mostly caught up, thoughts of note:

- i still dont like how defensive dats is rn but i'm beginning to wonder if my dislike of his early vote is coloring everything else, excited to see what he says later
- i dont like hem's continued reasons for scumreading ari in that he's focusing solely on her to the detriment of forming other reads or having other interactions. Also to continue justifying his scumread on ari he's applying a standard to her that he isnt really applying to other people (he's objecting to ari's readlist because how could anyone have reads at that time, when multiple other people were forming large early readslists, like yeet for example)
- i like vpb, fire, ari, yeet, tenebro, possibly deasvail
- i additionally dislike fua, nero, eyes
- this thing with nordam is probably a miscommunication/having different priorities to sort people. I dont really get what he's asking but probably isnt scummy
- dont think wu has really done anything to justify the pushes/votes on him that we couldnt easily alply to like four other slots as well

Ok later!

[MalcolmTucker]

Alright, this wagon on Wu feels pretty weak. You can argue that "Well, they haven't really scumhunted, they've lurked, and yadda yadda yadda", but I mean it hasn't even been 24 hours since this game skyrocketed into an absurd twenty pages.

Not to mention, I'm getting some opportunistic vibes going on with these votes.

VOTE: Daitisi

Content to just push on players who are getting attention thrown their way and I haven't really gotten the impression that it's a town tell of "Pressuring for information" from them.

Couldn't the latter part of your argument apply to pretty much anyone there? If Wu isn't worthy of suspicion because the game remains in its early stages, why is anyone else? After all, unless someone is having a terrible game it's largely all gut-reads at this point. It's not as if Wu was piled on initially either, there was some lingering suspicion sparked about 10/11 pages into the game, all of which seemed based on pretty solid reasoning for me. This feels like quite a weak defence which conveniently ignores the points that were actually being made against Wu.

[skitter30]

VPBaltar (the guy who I'm scumreading) made an effort to give reads on a wider scope of players after a read of the game.

Whatever. I don't want to get into this exhausting debate with you, skitter, about this shit. I'm officially letting it go.

Yes sorry i was trying to disengage too >.>

And ig for vob i did like his fua sr and i kinda liked that i agreed with a lot of his reads >.>

[Nordom]

VPBaltar (the guy who I'm scumreading) made an effort to give reads on a wider scope of players after a read of the game.

Whatever. I don't want to get into this exhausting debate with you, skitter, about this shit. I'm officially letting it go.

Yes sorry i was trying to disengage too >.>

And ig for vob i did like his fua sr and i kinda liked that i agreed with a lot of his reads >.>

Mhmmm.

Enjoy your drink, skitter.

[Nordom]

By the way, I town-read Skitter.

[MalcolmTucker]

I think we should mount the pressure on Datisi sooner rather than later.

Let’s get some wagons going, guys. I don’t want to stall around all day and move last minute and scramble when we can just go sheep sheep sheep.

This felt like a bit of an odd post, like Yeet's a little bit desperate to get on Datisi. It comes just a couple of posts after they were arguing Datisi was the most unpopular player in the game so far, so from that POV it's not as if there hasn't been a lot of pressure on them so far. What's with the absolute desperation here? I don't think there's any need to form a definitive wagon this early in the game, multiple players being suspected can be good for making/ruling out connections between players instead of putting all of our focus onto one individual player at the expense of others.

[skitter30]

By the way, I town-read Skitter.

If i can ask, why are you ending up with a townread of me? The impression that i got during our convo is that you were scumreading me

Also what did you mean abt the drink?

[fua]

I TR Skitter, but I’m pretty sure some of her townreads and all of her scumreads are wildly wrong (less sure on Eyes, but still).

Malcolm is a strong TR and that’s a good catch from him.

[fua]

Datisi night actualky be scum, though. I need to look at that slot again.

[Nordom]

By the way, I town-read Skitter.

If i can ask, why are you ending up with a townread of me? The impression that i got during our convo is that you were scumreading me

Also what did you mean abt the drink?

Why would you get the impression that I scum-read?

[DeasVail]

no, im relaxed yet sassy, didn't you hear

Only just saw this

Also, I think Datisi is town

[DeasVail]

What's the bullet point case on datisi again?

Basically, Daitisi was one to throw their hat into the popular pressure of Wu and Monkey. It just came off as lazy and convenient to me.

I kind of feel like you've done the same with the pressure of Datisi

[DeasVail]

UNVOTE: Eyes without a face

I'm actually not liking his content through here, ehy'd you remove the vote?

I disliked eyes' first posts, but I kind of lost the passion after posts like 586 - "I don't care about what reads he has here". - Seems strange from scum.
Going to the effort of "reading the game" (obviously not verifiable, but they at least pretended to) and then posting townreads on Nero and VP and then disappearing is also just a weird scum move. More likely imo that townreads on Nero and VP were just the most notable things to Eyes, who didn't think to say much else/got distracted/whatever. Scum probably thinks "well shit, I should probably talk about other people too".

But no, instead of that, we get 603, which seems random as anything. Seems town.

I think in the grand scheme of things, due to lack of posting and lack of confidence in the read (and as I get to the end of my catch up I'm feeling generally more townready about most people), Eyes is probably in the lower half of my reads list, but not a player that I feel compelled to pursue right now.

[DeasVail]

But I thought when I joined somehow the thread was still at page 1. I was like "why has nobody posted for an hour?"

This actually makes a lot of sense

In response to your question to me, I'm not sure what you mean, but it's possible I missed it due to not paying close attention to the game at the time I was posting. I voted Eyes because of the OTT reaction to Yeet's readlist, which felt like saying something for the sake of saying it and conveniently pushing on someone who comes across as, I suppose, more "nooby". I don't know that Nordom did the same thing? What did you mean by that?

[Nordom]

What's the bullet point case on datisi again?

Basically, Daitisi was one to throw their hat into the popular pressure of Wu and Monkey. It just came off as lazy and convenient to me.

I kind of feel like you've done the same with the pressure of Datisi

I'm not so sure about that. I think I may have been the first one to vote Datisi.

[DeasVail]

What's the bullet point case on datisi again?

Basically, Daitisi was one to throw their hat into the popular pressure of Wu and Monkey. It just came off as lazy and convenient to me.

I kind of feel like you've done the same with the pressure of Datisi

I'm not so sure about that. I think I may have been the first one to vote Datisi.

I don't believe that you think this

[Nordom]

n-nani? Of course I believe it. The fuck, Deas?

[DeasVail]

I'm surprised that you didn't check to see if you were correct or not

[MalcolmTucker]

I TR Skitter, but I’m pretty sure some of her townreads and all of her scumreads are wildly wrong (less sure on Eyes, but still).

Malcolm is a strong TR and that’s a good catch from him.

To follow up on this - for what it's worth I'd mostly been TR'ing Yeet until now and felt like their approach would've been quite strange and really bold from mafia. But that post just caught me as incredibly weird when going through, how can you simultaneously be frustrated there's not enough of a bandwagon on someone while insisting they've been the most mafia-read player so far? Yeet may still come out as town and that wouldn't surprise me but I dunno, just a really odd post to make.

[Nordom]

I'm surprised that you didn't check to see if you were correct or not

Mhmmm. Well, I'll just say on my behalf that I was too lazy to check for myself. Didn't feel like trudging through those 20 pages again.

[Nordom]

I TR Skitter, but I’m pretty sure some of her townreads and all of her scumreads are wildly wrong (less sure on Eyes, but still).

Malcolm is a strong TR and that’s a good catch from him.

To follow up on this - for what it's worth I'd mostly been TR'ing Yeet until now and felt like their approach would've been quite strange and really bold from mafia. But that post just caught me as incredibly weird when going through, how can you simultaneously be frustrated there's not enough of a bandwagon on someone while insisting they've been the most mafia-read player so far? Yeet may still come out as town and that wouldn't surprise me but I dunno, just a really odd post to make.

Any scumreads?