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[MalcolmTucker]

Reading through Nordom's style, I dunno if this is how they usually play it, but it also feels like there's a weird mix of some absolute statements and suspicions mixed with a lot of tentative questions directed at other players like their conviction stance on Datisi. A bit like they're content to be forceful and pushy with some players but not with others.

[Datisi]

My only solid scum read right now is Deas.

assuming this isn't another misspell of "datisi", when did this start and why are you not acting like it?

[tenebrousluminary]

Found some of Tenebros responses to accusations against them particularly weak as well, deflecting from the actual points being made instead of addressing them directly.

Salutations, Mr. Tucker.

I addressed this and directed points at you. Are you choosing to ignore them and maintain your argument nonetheless?

[MalcolmTucker]

Nordom, who is scum?

Uh, Daitisi I guess, but I'm waiting for them respond.

What's the bullet point case on datisi again?

Basically, Daitisi was one to throw their hat into the popular pressure of Wu and Monkey. It just came off as lazy and convenient to me.

If Datisi's replies in a satisfactory manner, I'm switching my vote to VP.

VOTE: nordom

gee, i wonder where i saw this kinda reasoning before

last two games i saw a post like this, it came from scum both times

(i'm not yet certain if i wanna end up on nordom, but this feels fitting to change now, both as a scumread on nordom and as a not-quite-scumread-anymore on skitter)

Hello, maf

Re 949 @Nordom, this doesn't read to me like a player you don't have a confident mafia read of.

[Nordom]

It started when Deas voted for me. My initial thought was "Oh, okay maybe this is just a mis-informed effort post by town"

But, when I started thinking about it, it feels like maf trying to cut me off at the pass before I can make any possible move towards them. Deas came out with that post after I repeatedly gave comments that were questioning them. I honestly feel like he was trying to pocket me, but saw it wouldn't be so easy and decided to take the initiative in voting me first.

[tenebrousluminary]

What's the bullet point case on datisi again?

Basically, Daitisi was one to throw their hat into the popular pressure of Wu and Monkey. It just came off as lazy and convenient to me.

Going back to this, it's not as if Datisi didn't have their own reads or suspicions early on though. If I remember correctly they'd had a go at both Tenebros and Skitter. There'd be no need for them to desperately conjure up some sudden mafia reads for having a lack of them so far.

Overall I feel like the mafia case for Datisi feels really disjointed and inconsistent so far and I'm not seeing it yet. Yeet's initial push early on was based on very little and Yeet was confidently making all sorts of big claims and giving major reads at an incredibly early point in the game with a confidence that probably wasn't warranted.

I find your point of "no need for them to desperately conjure up some sudden mafia reads for having a lack of them so far" strange. Why would they have to be desperate to give a scum-read?

By the way, welcome to the

town circle

. I embrace you, brother.

Why are you townreading this post? I am not.

[MalcolmTucker]

Found some of Tenebros responses to accusations against them particularly weak as well, deflecting from the actual points being made instead of addressing them directly.

Salutations, Mr. Tucker.

I addressed this and directed points at you. Are you choosing to ignore them and maintain your argument nonetheless?

Sorry where did you do this? I'm looking through your ISO and can't find any response from after my post. But I'm sure you'll appreciate the game has had plenty of posts so far and lots easily get missed in the shuffle...your defensiveness is noted. Happy to take any points you have onboard though and evaluate my stance and where I am from there.

[Datisi]

so why are you acting as if you have a hard guilty on me if i'm not even a confident mafia read for you?

pedit: @nordom

[MalcolmTucker]

It started when Deas voted for me. My initial thought was "Oh, okay maybe this is just a mis-informed effort post by town"

But, when I started thinking about it, it feels like maf trying to cut me off at the pass before I can make any possible move towards them. Deas came out with that post after I repeatedly gave comments that were questioning them. I honestly feel like he was trying to pocket me, but saw it wouldn't be so easy and decided to take the initiative in voting me first.

This feels like...a bit of a reach. Like, how many votes did you have at the time? How strongly has Deas been pushing a bandwagon on you since? Not that it rules out Deas being mafia but it could quite easily just be someone who thinks you're suspicious casting a vote on you.

[Datisi]

i think? nordom is townie for going back and actually reading what my actions were (and openly contrasting them at the time i'm getting attacked)

i don't think a newer scum player decides to white knight me at this time when a couple of people have come out to voice their support of me

[Datisi]

i think? malcolm* is townie lmfao

[Nordom]

i think? nordom is townie for going back and actually reading what my actions were (and openly contrasting them at the time i'm getting attacked)

i don't think a newer scum player decides to white knight me at this time when a couple of people have come out to voice their support of me

Wait, what? What actions from you did I even address?

[MalcolmTucker]

It seems like you are simultaneously demanding that I be defensive and demanding that I go on an offensive in order to satisfy you.

Convincing you is not at the top of my priority list right now anyway, thank you. I am planning to engage with more people and trying to hunt, but you are the one who said I was being dismissive. Suspecting me for responding to it seems at odds with your point that I am suspicious for not responding to the suspicions of others.

Posts like this are kinda why I find you dodgy @tenebros. Like it's an absolutely nothing post in terms of rebuking suspicion against you while also trying to invert the entire discussion against the person who's potentially accused you of being mafia in the first place. It's deflection.

It's also odd that early in the game you accused Datisi of being overly sensitive and defensive about the initial push for them, and yet once heat was directed your way, you kinda moved between a similarly defensive stance and sometimes brushing off the heat with throwaway jokes about how exciting it was. There's an inconsistency there, like you don't want to appear too worried about any heat while also being aware you have to mount some sort of response to clear your name.

[MalcolmTucker]

i think? nordom is townie for going back and actually reading what my actions were (and openly contrasting them at the time i'm getting attacked)

i don't think a newer scum player decides to white knight me at this time when a couple of people have come out to voice their support of me

i think? malcolm* is townie lmfao

Like, down the line I could reverse my stance, but after pouring through the thread and through different people's ISOs, I'm still not particularly sure what the consistent case against you is meant to be at this point? It seems to be that you were either too defensive when you came under some pressure, which could apply to Tenebros, or that you jumped on the HumaneMonkey/Wu bandwagon, which isn't really true, and could apply to a few other players anyway who didn't say anything about Wu until Nero first mentioned him.

[Nordom]

Malcom, I think you're getting too over-excited in the pants from Datisi's lazy town read on you. You gotta dig deeper.

[Nordom]

Unless you're maf butt-buddies together then fml

[fireisredsir]

have kind of a hard time believing that monkey really thinks there's no way ari and datisi can be town here. this aggressive posturing feels a bit bluff-y to me

This begs the question of then do you think all 3 are mafia based off of this?

huh? no, why would i think that? i think that monkey was not making an honest read of the situation

[Datisi]

What actions from you did I even address?

that was a mistype, but you bring out a good point against yourself

I'm still not particularly sure what the consistent case against you is meant to be at this point?

neither am i!!

Malcom, I think you're getting too over-excited in the pants from Datisi's lazy town read on you. You gotta dig deeper.

conveniently ignoring facts (malcolm was townreading me FAR before i was townreading him) in order to throw shitty shade? gee, i wonder what nordom would think if he read your post...

[fireisredsir]

if you're scum, obviously you want me to townread you. but, you know that those tiny bits of my "things that town!vp does" list won't help you because we both know they're on that list. bUT ALSO, you know that i know that. so now i'm like, would scum!baltar purposefully drop these little hints, *knowing* that i'm gonna notice them and start losing sleep over them, in order to get into my head?

lmao, this is like a day 6 endgame level paranoia and we're only 36 hours in. the legends are true...

[Nordom]

I apologise for being so transparent as maf. You got any other reads to shine upon us, Datisi?

[MalcolmTucker]

Malcom, I think you're getting too over-excited in the pants from Datisi's lazy town read on you. You gotta dig deeper.

Sorry but this is an attempt to deflect and doesn't actually address my reads so far.

Datisi's TR on me pretty much literally just came in on me. Had no idea how they felt about me up until now.

After I first caught up on the game last night I said my main two mafia reads were Wu/Tenebros. Reading the latter as potential mafia based on early exchanges would likely, by process of elimination, mean Datisi is a lot less likely to be mafia as a result.

Like it's not as if I was sitting on the fence here and only decided to TR Datisi once they did the same with me?

[tenebrousluminary]

your defensiveness is noted.

Really? All I asked was for you to address questions I had asked you, and that is defensive?

I will look for the post.

[fireisredsir]

Reading through Nordom's style, I dunno if this is how they usually play it, but it also feels like there's a weird mix of some absolute statements and suspicions mixed with a lot of tentative questions directed at other players like their conviction stance on Datisi. A bit like they're content to be forceful and pushy with some players but not with others.

i saw this too, when they did the cocky "mmhmmm" thing with skitter after a terrible argument they were super quick afterwards to be like "but don't worry i townread skitter" bc skitter is apparently kinda scary

[tenebrousluminary]

I didn't necessarily suspect Tenebros on the basis of their early posts but found some of their later defences incredibly weak attempts to divert attention away from them without addressing accusations at-hand.

If you wish to call my defenses weak, you should cite what specifically was weak.

I don't understand how I can be making "defences" while also "not addressing accusations at hand." What accusations at hand would you like me to address? If you feel there are unanswered questions, you can ask them yourself, and if you really want to figure me out, I think you will do so.

Also TR'ing Frogster, their early question seemed so bizarre a theory for a mafia player to have, not sure why you'd draw attention to yourself with that. Also TR'ing Datisi at the moment, their frustrations re early accusations seemed fairly genuine to me at a point where players were keen to just get any theories or suspicions off the ground to get the game going.

Why is Frogster drawing attention to himself different from me drawing attention to myself? I don't disagree that it could be seen that way, but I want to hear your explanation.

I guess I am a tiny bit biased here but I think he's not as carefree as scum tho I haven't actually played with scum him this is just based on what he's said about his scum game previously.

You think Datisi is carefree this game? I think he seems quite upset about a small amount of pressure.

Here you go, Mr. Tucker.

[Nordom]

There's so many people I want gone today. Datisi/DeasVail/fireisredsir/maybe VP Baltar