Newbie 2089 | Endgame

[ofmercia]

I mean it's just a numbers game, there is, like I said, a 2/9 chance we are in one of the 9 slots that has only 1 town power role, in which case we are screwed if we PR claim today, and I would be horribly wrong requesting a claim. But I think 7/9 are good odds.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you answer my question about your reads right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And we do have something to work with, we have day 1 wagon on a slot that flipped town. Do you think Kitty's reasoning for voting Auto yesterday was good? Bad?
That is something you could be looking at.

[ofmercia]

Can you tell me your reads at the moment OfMercia. Who would you preferably eliminate today? Ignore town PR's for a sec and try to give me something i can work with.

I think it's unlikely that town pulled a 5 vote on that day 1 wagon. I feel there's scum on there. Fwog or you. I know it's not tisdanial and I know it's not me. I don't think it's kitty. Mafia might be hesitant to hammer there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also think Fwog could be sus, voting them and putting pressure on the slot. Or eventually on me if you scumread me (though i am town) could give us more info to solve the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i disagree that mafia might be hesistant to hammer there, i think Auto would have been an easy slot for Kitty to hammer as they had previously put them in their PoE so if they are scum, hammering them is easy.
I also feel their reasoning for wanting to kill Auto was a bit contrived, like saying "yeah you're being so scummy right now" but not really explaining why their reaction would be scum indicative, but hammering anyway. Read to me as possibly scum just trying to justify their hammer on a slot they knew would flip town.

[ofmercia]

I also think Fwog could be sus, voting them and putting pressure on the slot. Or eventually on me if you scumread me (though i am town) could give us more info to solve the game.

I think you're town, I will need to look into fwog and kitty.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Frog i think Kitty has a higher chance of flipping scum than Mercia right now.

[ofmercia]

Tisd and fwog any player you think is scum and gives info on elimimation? I could be wrong but I feel auto gives no leads if he flips green.

Norway do you think auto is a good elimination?

I still think Auto is scum here but you are right in terms of info.

All he does if he flips red is spew Tist town imo.

You flipping red would spew Kitty town and vice versa, but I feel like scum would want to get rid of the more talkative players first instead of the lowposting ones.

I think tist being night killed has something to do with this. Either they follow fwogs thought process or trying to frame him.

[Frogsterking]

Frog i think Kitty has a higher chance of flipping scum than Mercia right now.

Then who is kitty's partner?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i disagree that mafia might be hesistant to hammer there, i think Auto would have been an easy slot for Kitty to hammer as they had previously put them in their PoE so if they are scum, hammering them is easy.
I also feel their reasoning for wanting to kill Auto was a bit contrived, like saying "yeah you're being so scummy right now" but not really explaining why their reaction would be scum indicative, but hammering anyway. Read to me as possibly scum just trying to justify their hammer on a slot they knew would flip town.

To elaborate further:

It's sus that Auto isn't defending themself harder. As newbie town I'd kick and scream if I was wagoned this hard.

Why is this an scummy play? What differentiates it from an town that has given up to apathy or stopped caring? In fact we get confirmed later that this is exactly what Auto is saying, but Kitty up and hammers them anyway.

It's sus that Auto isn't defending themself harder. As newbie town I'd kick and scream if I was wagoned this hard.

"Oh no, I'm innocent!"

?

Yeah, I'm innocent. Some people apparently 'feel' like I am playing scum-like, what do I do, argue over their feelings? If there was more substance, like in other games I've played, maybe I'd be making better cases. This is my first and last game on this site anyway.

Claim your role or I will hammer you within 2 hours.

Read again.

Somehow I missed it. Sorry, and sorry if you're town, but you've been acting very scummy.

VOTE: AutoDefenestrator HAMMER!.

Town is necessarily going to vote Auto because they believe the slot flips scum for an natural reason or because they genuinely believe the elimination is good for the game.
Kitty did not do so in such an manner. They hammered them with the reasoning that they were "playing scummy" but never elaborated why their play actually made them scummy in the first place, only stating the very surface level fact of "i am voting them because they are playing like scum" but not elaborating on the manner in which they believed the slot was playing as scum. Which begs the question of the legitimacy of their read in the first place.
Their reasoning for hammering Auto inadvertedly betrayed their mindset of one that was knowing of Auto flipping town. Which makes them mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Frog i think Kitty has a higher chance of flipping scum than Mercia right now.

Then who is kitty's partner?

Haven't got that far, i'm busy casing Kitty themselves.
Don't care that much for pre-flip associations anyway.

[Frogsterking]

coughoffmerciacough

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would it be Mercia? I townread them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we get more content from ProgoWoshua, StrangeMatter and Fwogcarf maybe i can tell you who it could possibly be.

[ofmercia]

NorwegianboyEE (town) - generally good town play, or I've been pocketed
ProgoWoshua (town) - their day 1 vote on me and defense of auto felt like someone genuinely trying to solve

StrangeMatter (null town) - don't think scum brings up a day 1 accusation of a scumtell to try and understand where they could have just left it behind, but also not getting any town vibes, not much to go on

Frogsterking (null scum) - I don't feel a genuine need to solve, just feels like theatre and even a bit of open wolfing at times

fwogcarf (scum) - day 1 has very opportunistic votes in inactives slots like dunstral and auto, combined with PoE on the day 1 wagon this slot I feel is red, very high chance
KittyTacky (scum) - don't have a good feeling with their day 1 play and agree with norway about the hammer

[ProgoWoshua]

I am currently working on a new batch of reads. I hope I can finish today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actuallly i townread Progo for day 1 posting so my guess for partner would be in Strange/Fwogcarf.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i'm just gonna point out that Mercia scumread Daniel yesterday. It is unlikely for Mercia to kill a slot they are setting up as an scumread if they were scum themselves.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do not townread Fwogcarf for "dumbtelling".

[ProgoWoshua]

Ok, I just started a full game analysis that will most certainly NOT be finished today. So for now I'll just spew out what I think. Note that these reads are based of my memory, so take them with a grain of salt:

Town Reads

• NorwegianboyEE: I was worried about him when he wasn't killed in Night 1, but Daniel's death makes sense in hindsight. Other than that, he's been helping town since the beginning, so I can't imagine him as Mafia.
  
  KittyTacky: It makes sense he would hammer Auto as Mafia, but it makes just as much sense he would hammer Auto as Town. He was tunneling Auto for a while, and probably suffered from confirmation bias. I still townread him from earlier in Day 1.
  
  ofmercia: Started of scummy, but got townier later. I completely get their reasoning for outing the PRs Today. In fact, I would probably came up with these sort of strategies myself (tho I would probably listen to the voice of experience).

Null Reads

• StrangeMatter: I don't remember her.

Scum Reads

• fwogcarf: I agree with ofmercia, Auto's wagon had at least one Mafia. Fwog is the only one left.
  
  Frogsterking: In the middle of Day 1, the only thing stopping me from SRing him was my SR on ofmercia. That isn't a problem now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

KittyTacky's pronoun is an she btw.

[fwogcarf]

We should. We have nothing to work with and PRs will give us something. With a miselim today PRs will almost always be useless tomorrow, and can even be faked by mafia and counter claimed without room for error. Today mafia cannot fake claim or counter claim without sacrificing one of themselves.

I would only consider outing PRs if it were exactly two masons

Otherwise absolutely not

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait, maybe that's just my assumption. Forgive me if that was wrong Kitty. :/