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[Datisi]

like again i really do not wanna get into a huge back and forth with you but i find it insane how you can just conclude these things as gospel when they require so many assumptions that are frankly not even likely to be correct

[MathBlade]

Like there’s no assumptions?
It just requires scum act in their own interest?

Let’s not do this
Agreed good night

[Aristeia]

if Datisi/Wu/HEM/Nor are all town it could just mean town are moving from one wagon to another while scum are twiddling their thumbs no?

[MathBlade]

if Datisi/Wu/HEM/Nor are all town it could just mean town are moving from one wagon to another while scum are twiddling their thumbs no?

It would also require scum moving from one wagon to another aimlessly.

That part is the part I have trouble with
I can see town doing it
I don’t see scum doing it

[Datisi]

I can see town doing it
I don’t see scum doing it

???????

why would scum *not* do it?

[MathBlade]

I can see town doing it
I don’t see scum doing it

???????

why would scum *not* do it?

Because it would hurt them to do so later.

[fireisredsir]

it seems like you expect both town and maf to play perfectly, according to your own model of what you believe to be perfect play. guess what, nobody does that! and also your model is wrong!

[Aristeia]

if scum don't move they just kind of get stuck behind on wagons that died and look like they aren't doing anything.

playing scum requires moving in a game state in a way that looks natural - they can't just stay somewhere and do nothing and expect to survive.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what happened here

[Datisi]

fire is saying things that i wanna say, but better

they can be my math-related lawyer for the next few hours

[Aristeia]

what happened here

mathblade claimed you are masons with him

[humaneatingmonkey]

that is true

[MathBlade]

it seems like you expect both town and maf to play perfectly, according to your own model of what you believe to be perfect play. guess what, nobody does that! and also your model is wrong!

Perfectly no.
I do expect some sort of strategy/manipulation from scum though.

So aimlessly floating isn’t really a strategy
If scum were doing this they’d be open to sheeping wrong me and Wu would have sped up rather than resistance
Scum have a plan somewhere and don’t like they’ve lost control

[Aristeia]

fire is saying things that i wanna say, but better

they can be my math-related lawyer for the next few hours

this is a good idea

btw who do you want to vote for now?

[MathBlade]

I feel like no one wants to look at where they were wrong: eg HEM and Me
And that “but it’s justified” gives them an out either not to look where they were wrong or keep their reads.

[Nero Cain]

no one is saying that

[fireisredsir]

it seems like you expect both town and maf to play perfectly, according to your own model of what you believe to be perfect play. guess what, nobody does that! and also your model is wrong!

Perfectly no.
I do expect some sort of strategy/manipulation from scum though.

So aimlessly floating isn’t really a strategy
If scum were doing this they’d be open to sheeping wrong me and Wu would have sped up rather than resistance
Scum have a plan somewhere and don’t like they’ve lost control

i will let you in on a secret

a super secret maf agenda that 99% of people who play maf follow

this is their main priority and what motivates almost all of their actions

Spoiler: secret maf agenda

try to look like town

and guess what doesn't mesh well with that agenda? manipulation and orchestration and strategy! really really good scum can do both at the same time, but i hate to break it to you, most people are not that good at scum, and are too busy treading water trying to not get suspected to worry about your grand ideas of strategy and organizing moves off wagons and all that.

[fireisredsir]

fire is saying things that i wanna say, but better

they can be my math-related lawyer for the next few hours

nope im going to sleep ive said all i can on the subject

[Nero Cain]

@ everyone

is cape town

[MathBlade]

it seems like you expect both town and maf to play perfectly, according to your own model of what you believe to be perfect play. guess what, nobody does that! and also your model is wrong!

Perfectly no.
I do expect some sort of strategy/manipulation from scum though.

So aimlessly floating isn’t really a strategy
If scum were doing this they’d be open to sheeping wrong me and Wu would have sped up rather than resistance
Scum have a plan somewhere and don’t like they’ve lost control

i will let you in on a secret

a super secret maf agenda that 99% of people who play maf follow

this is their main priority and what motivates almost all of their actions

Spoiler: secret maf agenda

try to look like town

and guess what doesn't mesh well with that agenda? manipulation and orchestration and strategy! really really good scum can do both at the same time, but i hate to break it to you, most people are not that good at scum, and are too busy treading water trying to not get suspected to worry about your grand ideas of strategy and organizing moves off wagons and all that.

That’s bad scum play imho
The Mafiascum wiki (authored by Mastina) says that’s bad play
I am not sure where you got that impression but scum aren’t town and do better not forcing things.

[MathBlade]

@ everyone

is cape town

Yes.
I thought scum at first but they got better

[humaneatingmonkey]

unfortunately, i'm really just actually busy with my life and i still took this game anyway. i'm kinda lost atm, and i don't know what happened to merit MathBlade claiming on behalf of us. Was I at L-1?
Anyway, consider me Math' extravote.

[Nero Cain]

[post=VP]VP[/post]

[Nero Cain]

errr ummm

VOTE: VP

[humaneatingmonkey]

the idea that two people were wagoned and then the wagons moved elsewhere is 100% evidence that there is scum in the first two names because why else would one of the first wagons in the game not go through!?!?! is like, wrong on so many fronts

i'm not math you can argue with me