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[Nero Cain]

I am not 100% convinced Dats is scum just b/c he's trying to form a CW to Ari but its possible I guess.

[Scorpious]

I decided to vote for scorp because of all the people who are not posting/participating he is the most egregious example for me.

what were factors in determining who was the "most egregious example"?

[Nero Cain]

we always do skitter first but I'm not sold they both can't be scum.

[VP Baltar]

What is the case on Ari? I'm going to give up on reading pages of spam shitting from a bunch of people.

[tenebrousluminary]

do you see anyone voting for scorp?

I wanted to, but then everyone got mad at you for doing it, so clearly that is not acceptable for some reason.

Because I don’t think you’re thinking about the game critically and are trying to deflect onto other people when possible. And I’m really not following Nero around, since I completely disagree with his reads on Mathblade, Yeet, and VP.

you TR wu in 257. then Nero shows up and is sus of wu in 283. you say good point in 285 and follow Nero to wu in 292.

nero says I'm a mediator in 898, you say I'm a mediator in 1063

you also TR skitter in 1063. Nero starts wanting a skitter lim in 1325. you SR skitter in 1414.

nero starts getting less interested in wu somewhere around 1370. you switch off wu onto ari in 1623, and say you're hesitant with the wu wagon now on 1791. you did vote ari before him, so credit there.

Nero says there's scum in VP/skitter/yeet in 1506, you say yeet is in your solve in 1658. (you had already leaned scum on yeet earlier, so this isn't a switch of opinion, but you def do not have the opposite read)

Nero says that ari's vote on scorp is bad because she's voting limbait in 1702, you say ari's vote on scorp is bad because she's voting limbait in 1804.

mathblade read is irrelevant because he is claimed mason, so i don't know why you have that as an example of a place where you and Nero differ. the only one that stands is VP. anyway it's not like you're going to agree with him on every single read, so pointing out one where you don't doesn't disprove my point. it's a pattern of general behavior of sheeping after things he says, even down to using the same phrasing that he does

This has me rethinking my fire-scum read, as well as my hesitation on fua.

that's a good point about fua

VOTE: fua

Ari and Fire scum together?

I was planning to comment on this post that I am surprised you did not have a stronger response to fire's well researched and thought out post.

Then I realized this was coming from you, as opposed to just anyone, so I must ask:

Who is ignoring accusations against them now, fua?

VOTE: fua

Ari’s wagon is pure though.

Based on what?

[Frogsterking]

scorpious, do you have a single read this game or are you just gonna throw unhelpful posts

oof, I really haven't. fair assessment, I'll try to step it up..

I got a late start on this on and there is a lot of activity, not an excuse,buy again I can't argue I havent done much.

Can you look at the interactions at the beginning of my iso (daystart) and say which reads you agree/disagree with and why?

Using the KISS method and narrowing it down . I would favor an ari launch over a Wu launch.

Can you elaborate on how you narrowed that down please?

Hey Scorpius I asked you these questions and I want you to answer because you're pretty low info

[Datisi]

What is the case on Ari? I'm going to give up on reading pages of spam shitting from a bunch of people.

she refused to do what math told her to (push someone that was on the math/monkey wagon) and she voted scorp

[MathBlade]

What is the case on Ari? I'm going to give up on reading pages of spam shitting from a bunch of people.

Monkey’s case in the mason PT. (Which he can do)
Saying that the HEM and my wagon are all town and refusing to make a reads list
When she put one up it was zero effort “not in order” and it had Wu as scum yet she never voted Wu and was attacking me
Her defense of Skitter when she’s likely in scum meta range for no “pings” as just “I townread her”
Her refusal to push anyone and instead is more begging me to stop pushing her.

[MathBlade]

Oh and the low hanging scorpion vote

I can’t speak to prior early game where Monkey has his read from

[MathBlade]

Like Ari’s entire point was “What if you’re wrong about Datisi/Wu having a scum” then having Wu in her scumreads feels very disingenuous

[Frogsterking]

Hell yes, good vote luminary! VOTE: fua

[MathBlade]

if Datisi/Wu/HEM/Nor are all town it could just mean town are moving from one wagon to another while scum are twiddling their thumbs no?

Yet she scumreads Wu?
C’mon now

[VP Baltar]

What is the case on Ari? I'm going to give up on reading pages of spam shitting from a bunch of people.

she refused to do what math told her to (push someone that was on the math/monkey wagon) and she voted scorp

I sort of figured this was Math being loud.

I'm utterly confused how people can look at the Wu wagon falling apart a second time and not see that as scummy. By all accounts, Wu should be LHF that scum are eager to hammer through, yet it has stalled repeatedly at the cusp of being serious -- even though Nero and others were flipping a shit earlier today about how scummy Wu is and how much they wanted him dead if it were not for people defending Wu. If at any point you said Wu is scum...WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT VOTING WU.

Math is getting taken for a ride again because he is loud and refuses to listen to anything but his own theories about the game. Math, I'm trying to work with you here. We will get a lot of information out of this Wu flip. Please work with me.

I saw Math say somethin about HEM making some kind of convincing case about Ari in their PT....If it's good, then fucking post it. If it is anything like the arguments HEM was making earlier in the game, I am skeptical.

This game has quickly become a clown show of terrible play and it is annoying me.

[VP Baltar]

Ari, vote Wu.

[fireisredsir]

if Datisi/Wu/HEM/Nor are all town it could just mean town are moving from one wagon to another while scum are twiddling their thumbs no?

Yet she scumreads Wu?
C’mon now

i did think this was kinda weird. i hadnt got the impression at all that she scumread wu until her read list

[MathBlade]

What is the case on Ari? I'm going to give up on reading pages of spam shitting from a bunch of people.

she refused to do what math told her to (push someone that was on the math/monkey wagon) and she voted scorp

I sort of figured this was Math being loud.

I'm utterly confused how people can look at the Wu wagon falling apart a second time and not see that as scummy. By all accounts, Wu should be LHF that scum are eager to hammer through, yet it has stalled repeatedly at the cusp of being serious -- even though Nero and others were flipping a shit earlier today about how scummy Wu is and how much they wanted him dead if it were not for people defending Wu. If at any point you said Wu is scum...WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT VOTING WU.

Math is getting taken for a ride again because he is loud and refuses to listen to anything but his own theories about the game. Math, I'm trying to work with you here. We will get a lot of information out of this Wu flip. Please work with me.

I saw Math say somethin about HEM making some kind of convincing case about Ari in their PT....If it's good, then fucking post it. If it is anything like the arguments HEM was making earlier in the game, I am skeptical.

This game has quickly become a clown show of terrible play and it is annoying me.

I have been trying to work with people.
Being loud is not the same as uncooperative.
I am working with Nero and Fua who I townread.
I agree a Wu flip is info and why if Ari falls apart I want Wu.

However human being a newer less active player deserves the chance to explain their read and play.
People were skeptical because scum run good defense.

I think Ari not voting Wu if she flips red gives definite ammo towards a Wu flip.

[Frogsterking]

VP would you settle for a D1 fua lim?

[MathBlade]

Furthermore VP before I posted the game was wagoning two masons
It was terrible play before I even posted.

[Frogsterking]

Hey Math can you elaborate on what you discovered during the VCA you did on replace in?

[Datisi]

This game has quickly become a clown show of terrible play and it is annoying me.

this might be a new one

unless i'm misremembering that one vp scumgame that i was rereading at new years eve while roaming the foggy streets

i'll check later

[Datisi]

VOTE: wu

woo

[fireisredsir]

I'm utterly confused how people can look at the Wu wagon falling apart a second time and not see that as scummy. By all accounts, Wu should be LHF that scum are eager to hammer through, yet it has stalled repeatedly at the cusp of being serious

mm maybe, but scum would probably rather not all pile on LHF if they think no scum is in danger of being limmed

[MathBlade]

Hey Math can you elaborate on what you discovered during the VCA you did on replace in?

I have to work now lunch break is over. I came in and the VCs were both on me and Monkey. This doesn’t “just happen” that two masons are wagoned. Means scum likely knew who we were already.

Means scum deviated intentionally to us means scum on the wagons.
Players deviated from Datisi and Wu to me and HEM
(Before Fite complains there’s some intermediary steps which fire highlights)

But the gist is to find that why.

[Datisi]

Means scum likely knew who we were already.

is it just me or is like, purposefully wagoning someone you know is a mason a HORRIBLE scum strategy? >_>

[fireisredsir]

it also makes no sense to assume that scum would know that