Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1-5

TTTT (1):

Mr Turtle

marcistar (1):

Lukewarm

Alianna (1):

TTTT

Somnus (1):

BigTerp

PlmPestPlaY (1):

Somnus

Not Voting (4):

PlmPestPlaY, marcistar, furtiveglance, Alianna

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 15, 5 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-15 05:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[PlmPestPlaY]

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

[Mr Turtle]

I'm questioning the conclusion BigTerp got in post 108.

Confusion is a tool that can be used to town's benefit. While mafia may use confusion to manipulate town to some extent, mafia doesn't like too much chaos. The more confusing the thread gets, the more room there is for scum to slip as they aren't prepared for the confusion. The mafia relies that things follow their agenda and if there is no structure, it's hard for them to fit in.

Oftentimes a quiet, structured or stagnant game means that mafia is in control of the thread. If mafia were close to being caught, they'd try to use chaos and confusion to get out of it. Obviously, if nothing confusing or actionable is happening, mafia is perfectly content with their position in the game and that's a bad sign for town.

I don't think joking or meta reads have helped mafia, really. If anything, they've helped town. Joke posts are often relaxed and authentic, something which can be harder for scum to fake. Talking about a previous games can help contextualize, to those of us who haven't played or spectated those games, about who has meta reads on each other or who has radically changed their playstyle since their last game (possibly indicating an alignment shift).

Like I've already said, it's not at all how I'm use to playing this game. There was and has been a lot of talk about previous games, and I now understand that's a tactic, strategy, etc for many here. Which is obviously fine. I'm just not comfortable relying on others interpretations of how a particular player is playing this game compared to previous ones. I prefer to draw my own conclusions on how everyone is currently playing. I know day 1 there is little to go on, but that's why I try to find something different or odd for me to latch into early.

As far as the confusion goes, apparently I'm the only one it causes it for, LOL!! But I disagree that confusion is better for town versus Mafia. If everyone is scrambling it's easier for mafia to nudge the votes in the direction they want without being noticed. If things are running smoothly yet votes but where Mafia wants them, it's harder for them to make that vote shift unnoticed.

I'm liking your breakdown of the game so far. You seem to belooking at posts thoroughly and providing good conversation about those posts. Feels very town like to me.

That's fair. You shouldn't rely on other people's meta reads on each other. Making your own impressions is important! However, other people briefly discussing it may serve as a pointer to get started on reading someone. Both ways are equally appropriate, but I wouldn't call any of them more scummy than the other. They're simply different.

Your point about mafia liking confusion is good. Personally, I don't go as far as saying playing chaotic or confusing is alignment-indicative. I've played with chaotic players that just have that as their play style and insist that it makes them catch scum faster. It really depends on perspective and what "type" of confusion it is. But yeah, confusion can definitely help the mafia if they know how to use it to their benefit.

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

What do you mean that everyone is tying themselves into a knot?

[Mr Turtle]

Just FYI
I'm sick sick sick
been up all night puking my guts out
not thinking at my peak today
hoping tomorrow is better and I'll get back in this

Oh no. Get well soon!

[marcistar]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

[Mr Turtle]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

[BigTerp]

Was your post "no, r u?" when asked if you were town just a joke post?

Yes :>

Maybe Aliannas scum..? What do you think about them?

I honestly don't have much of a read either way on Aliannas.

You seem to be making vague posts and asking vague questions. That might just be your play style, but if you're scum, could be a way to show you're staying active and trying to find Mafia. Why have you yet to vote?

[BigTerp]

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

Is this vote random? You called out Furtive for claiming a role then voted Somnus. Odd.

[marcistar]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig

I honestly don't have much of a read either way on Aliannas.

Do you have reads on everybody else?

You seem to be making vague posts and asking vague questions. That might just be your play style, but if you're scum, could be a way to show you're staying active and trying to find Mafia. Why have you yet to vote?

I like being vague because if i turn out to be wrong i can just be like "ahahaha" and laugh it off easier than going in full force I would.
Do I honestly need to vote right now..? So much to talk about and I don't wanna throw my vote around without being sure and liking the vote.

[furtiveglance]

I find furtiveglance scummy yes.
10 feels VERY forced. While 18 also in a way feels a bit forced, but in the way of I think they're just inviting useless conversation to seem busy.
81, 117 just honestly feels like excuses and setting himself up so that he'll be able to get away with defending a possible scum wagon in the future by being like "OMG GUYS WTF I GAVE WARNING!!! ". I agree with TTTTs post about it as well.
82 this feels like an honest question to me considering the follow through so it seems a bit like a slip imo.
97 Where was his vote before this? Because this seems WEIRD and standouts from his other posts when I was reading.
For me, I read parts of 127 in a nervous defensive sort of tone. Thats how I think its read, it seems like he doesn't want TTTT to get on his case for some reason. Whats he scared of?
131 I had something to say about this but now i'm tired so you guys can guess first

I meant to reply to this earlier but didn't get round to it.
1) If you think my jokes are forced I can't help you with that, this isn't an open mic so I'm not bothered if you don't think I'm funny.
2) As for the defending a day 1 wagon, I think I'm being accused of hypothetically scumpositioning over a miselim here. Read Newbie 2088's Day 1 (my only previous game here) to see why I don't want a repeat of that. If someone I think is town is being voted, I won't just half-assedly say 'probably flips town' and then 'omg I told you' , I will actively defend them.
3) Asking about the username subtitles 'Townie', 'Goon' etc is not a slip. I knew it wasn't alignment related, I was just curious.
4) I used my vote on BigTerp is a kind of prod to make them talk. It wasn't on anyone before I voted them.
5) As for my interactions with TTTT, I'm not the kind of player to be suspicious of them purely because they were mafia in a previous game. I do not have TMI that they are town, it's day 1 and I am townleaning them.

Marcistar, I have entirely deconstructed your scumcase on me. Either find some new reasons to scumread me, or change your read.

[Somnus]

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

This is what we call an OMGUS vote. I’m glad my prof vote at least brought you out from zero contributions.
Interestingly, just like BigTerp, he  “mistakenly” accused me of saying what Furtive actually said.

[Somnus]

*Prod vote

[Somnus]

I townread Alianna.

I do too. I know joke posts can come from either alignment, but your first two pages of posts are very unlikely to come from newbie scum. You’ve been very transparent.

[Somnus]

@lukewarm

I know you were anxiously waiting for Marci to join the game so you could get an early read on her. What are your initial thoughts?

[Somnus]

UNVOTE:

Curious as to the reason for the unvote though. Was furtive’s post convincing to you?

[Alianna]

I'm far from townreading BigTerp but yeah, furtive's post convinced me to at least not vote them right away.

[Alianna]

My very primitive reads list that is very much subject to change:


Slightly Townish People

Mr Turtle - Initial gut feeling says townie and I like the logic in 183 and 202.

Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.

furtiveglance - My points in 177 still stand, but their defenses in 184 and 209 have leaned me in a townish direction.


Nulls

TTTT - You are entirely unreadable.

PlmPestPlaY - Hasn’t posted enough to get an impression.

Lukewarm - I get a slightly off vibe but I have zero evidence so I’m not going to call them scum.


Slightly Scummy People

BigTerp - furtive has convinced me not to vote for them but I still find their logic strange for reasons that have already been discussed.

marcistar - Not liking 169. The read on furtive was questionable. Felt like she was fishing for reasons to find them scummy. I didn’t see any of the things she was talking about. 204 seems suspicious as well but I would expect that more from newbie scum. So not sure quite what to think.

[furtiveglance]

Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.

Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?

[Alianna]

Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.

Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?

Mostly.

[furtiveglance]

Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.

Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?

Mostly.

Beware, this player is a known bamboozler as mafia.

[Alianna]

Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.

Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?

Mostly.

Beware, this player is a known bamboozler as mafia.

I will keep that in mind.

[Somnus]

Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.

Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?

Mostly.

Beware, this player is a known bamboozler as mafia.

With the way this game has gone, I’m going to be accused of calling myself a bamboozler in this post.

[furtiveglance]

Is that some kind of joke Somnus? I hate jokes, they make me confused :/

[Somnus]

Well done. I legit LOL’ed.

[furtiveglance]

And we all know who love confusion.....