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[Stephen A Smith]

bruh why would i trust you even if you were town

[Stephen A Smith]

you're the one who's like "dude i suck" lol

[Dwlee99]

That's my point exactly

[Stephen A Smith]

ok so why r u so convinced it can't be hockey dude

[Dwlee99]

I mean sometimes I'm good but then I also can blunder. Reminds me of when I play chess. Sometimes I see some brilliant tactic and other times I walk into a fork for no reason

[Dwlee99]

I just don't think 1-shot backup gunsmith is a scum role in the setup. I mean can it serve as scum utility to find role cop + plausible deniability of a guilty? Yes. But... role cop doesn't get results after N2 anyway, by which time mafia might have the gunsmith (assuming town doesn't test the gunsmith day one) but then they can't kill to prevent any results. Or they find me and think I'm a cop and kill me or something but that's not useful either idk.

[Dwlee99]

Test -> yeet

[Dwlee99]

Gunsmith just isn't THAT strong tbh. And 1-shot backup gunsmith kinda gives scum two "role cop inno looking things"

Although I see how the setup kinda has me/Nero as opposing alignment similar theme things.

[Stephen A Smith]

there's at least 2 scum roles that show up guilty to gunsmith

[Dwlee99]

With my conception of balance I think like roles always seem stronger than they really are at least to me. Cause half the time town does some dumb shit for no reason. Like someone got a gunsmith clear on me and then immediately claimed that I must be a mafia doctor and voted me D2. They were convinced me not having a gun was MORE scum indicative than less lmao

Idk, my point is, setup seems balanced fun with the 1-shot backup gunsmith so it just doesn't particularly strike me as like a "this is a role that scum would have" thing. I also think hockey is just moderately townie by play

[Umlaut]

3018 seems oppurstunic


VOTE: Umulat

This makes no sense at all, I already said I think it's you so how is saying it's unlikely to be Andante opportunistic?

[Dwlee99]

there's at least 2 scum roles that show up guilty to gunsmith

Probably 3 really. The point is it also gets guilty to 3 townies which is just as likely as randomly selecting a mafia going into D1 mislim.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: HockeyFan
Back to E-1

[Dwlee99]

Umlaut are you really just gonna ignore this entire discussion and E-1 hockey?

[HockeyFan]

hes scum duh

[HockeyFan]

3018 seems oppurstunic


VOTE: Umulat

This makes no sense at all, I already said I think it's you so how is saying it's unlikely to be Andante opportunistic?

found it oppurstunic becuz u siad this right after other ppl expressed intrest in voting me

[Umlaut]

The main reason I don't believe all the PR claims are town is not because "it would be impossible for Hockey's role to be town" or "it would be impossible for all these PRs to be legit" but because I can't see a good reason for scum to leave all of them alive unless they are maximizing their cover. Like, if I'm scum here I kill Hockey 100% on night 3, and I think almost anyone else does too (maybe not worst since they said they would do otherwise but most players as sole living scum are going to be more worried about a potential incoming mech guilty from gunsmith than just about anything else) and even if not I at least kill

someone

in the claimed PRs on night 4 (maybe Stephen since imo he is all but conftown).

[Umlaut]

Umlaut are you really just gonna ignore this entire discussion and E-1 hockey?

no, I'm going to E-1 hockey and then reply to the discussion

[Umlaut]

Like I just don't see any reason for Hockey to be alive today as town, and if someone has offered one I missed it

[HockeyFan]

ngl ive just lock townbinned Dwlee all game long but is it really not fucking umulat(like 3041). Are we gonna have to circle back to Andante??? this game makes me so parnanoid fml

[HockeyFan]

Like I just don't see any reason for Hockey to be alive today as town, and if someone has offered one I missed it

why dont u have this same thought process for stephen/dwlee?

[Umlaut]

Stephen I've pretty much just never believed could be scum. Also by the time he outed role he was just voyeur and not much of a mechanical threat.

Dwlee's role claim is basically negative utility for town so never was a threat in the first place.

[HockeyFan]

ok and? My role is useless as of now other than "claimed PR", i dont have any more abillites

[Umlaut]

I acknowledge Mafia 1-Shot Backup Gunsmith is

weird

but it's no weirder than what I'm getting used to from normals at this point. NRG has generally been pushing setups specifically designed for "solve the setup" to be an ineffective strategy.

Last game I ran they suggested I add a Strongman-Finder in a setup with no Strongman (this was not

completely

out of nowhere, it did serve a purpose, but a couple players complained about it after the game)

[HockeyFan]

your sus on me is basically "why didnt hockey die", when the same thing can be applied to the other 2. my role was also never a threat to mafia