Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[Somnus]

Alright alright. I got my pissy jab in. I don’t want to get mean.

[Somnus]

@TTTT

Was going to post this earlier but it's a nightmare to do on mobile.

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1-6

Somnus (2):

BigTerp, PlmPestPlaY

TTTT (1):

Mr Turtle

marcistar (1):

Lukewarm

Alianna (1):

TTTT

PlmPestPlaY (1):

Somnus

Not Voting (3):

marcistar, furtiveglance, Alianna

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 15, 5 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-15 05:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Mr Turtle]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig

Yes, I didn't really like

furtiveglance

's answers to my questions in posts 103 & 110 as well as his mindset 114 & 117. To me it seems that he doesn't want to solve the game because it's day 1 and hides between a curtain of meta by saying "but last game we mis-eliminated on day 1!". However his reads list in 131 was good. He does a full 180 following 130 and puts an effort in to solve, it seems. The actual reads list is hedgy, but I attribute that more to newness than scumminess. Tonally I feel like he's been a bit stiff and forced, as I believe you and Lukewarm already previously pointed out (224 or 8, for example). I'll be honest and say that I have little idea whether his newness is clouding my judgement. Currently, I have him as a scum-lean.

PlmPestPlaY

has the least amount of posts. He OMGUS' Somnus, makes a couple of statements I didn't really get in 201. I hope we can convince him to post a bit more and be more confident, else he'll remain completely unreadable. His lack of posting is

probably

due to this being his first forum game - I've been in the exact same place not even that long ago; however there's always the possibility of him being an overwhelmed mafia. He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned.

I'm a bit wary of you,

marcistar

. I don't get whether the latter part of 208 is a joke or not, but being vague makes it much harder to read you and not voting does too. Being able to double down on a take because you formulated it vague on purpose rarely helps the town and it's hard to know where you're at regarding your reads. I also agree with BigTerp's take on you with regards to the vague questions. Asking questions is completely valid and fine - I've done so a lot as well - but I'm missing the part where you draw conclusions from the answers that you've gotten and share them with the thread. However I did like your post in 169. You seemed to be putting effort into the game and the case on furtiveglance is the most well thought-out case this game. I just don't get why you wouldn't vote him after saying you find him scummy and casing him? I get that you want to make sure that you like the vote (208), but you seemed to have built a rather convincing case on him. At the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. Maybe you could explain to me why you asked the questions and what you got out of the answers (198, 158 etc.)? How do you plan on solving this game, what's your approach? It would be appreciated.

VOTE: marcistar

[furtiveglance]

Mr Turtle, was my reads list good or hedgy?

[BigTerp]

I honestly don't have much of a read either way on Aliannas.

Do you have reads on everybody else?

You seem to be making vague posts and asking vague questions. That might just be your play style, but if you're scum, could be a way to show you're staying active and trying to find Mafia. Why have you yet to vote?

I like being vague because if i turn out to be wrong i can just be like "ahahaha" and laugh it off easier than going in full force I would.

Do I honestly need to vote right now..? So much to talk about and I don't wanna throw my vote around without being sure and liking the vote.

I have some reads that I plan to get into today. I'm off of mobile now so it'll be easier to type some things out. This forum is tough on mobile!!

That bolded part really sticks out to me. You'd rather be vague and wrong than aggressive and wrong? I mean, I guess that makes sense if you don't want to look scummy with a bad read. But that could very easily come off as mafia trying to hide behind vague posts and reads and then be able to come back with an excuse of they weren't confident or sure on their reads/votes.

No one said you had to vote, I was just questioning why you hadn't. Throwing votes at people is a good way to get conversation going, especially day 1. I'm not sure anyone has solid scum reads at this point. No need to wait until your 100% convinced of that to put your vote down.

[BigTerp]

Is that some kind of joke Somnus? I hate jokes, they make me confused :/

Well done. I legit LOL’ed.

And we all know who love confusion.....

Alright alright. I got my pissy jab in. I don’t want to get mean.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair enough. I deserve it. I do appreciate the patience, acceptance, or whatever you want to call it as I get my bearings back to playing this game. It's been a LONG time. I promise I'll do better.

[furtiveglance]

Can those that haven't given full readslists do so soon/refuse and say why not?

[BigTerp]

Here are some thoughts I have this morning.....

Furtiveglance - Despite all the "confusion" they caused early (I KID, I KID, LOL!!!), they seem to be playing a pretty townish game. Asking relevant questions and some decent breakdowns early in the game. Their read on me in regards to my sketchy early posts here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13284834 were spot on. They could've easily went the other way and helped to start a run on myself.

Mr. Turtle - Town lean as well. Much of the same as above in regards to relevant postings. I also particularly liked these series of posts https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13285043. Seems like a town player really trying to figure things out and get a feel for fellow players.

Somnus - I'm pretty neutral here. They got fairly squirmy with my early posts calling them out and then putting my vote on them. Scum typically get uncomfortable/squirmy when getting votes. Might just be their play style though. But they seemed to be pretty caught up in my, admittedly, early terrible posts. Like I said before, my early play could have made me an easy target for scum day 1. I do like their participation in the game and them not hiding in the shadows. This is what has them more of a neutral lean for me versus my previous early read as scum. I feel like mafia/scum posts would be more reserved and calculated then what we are seeing with Somnus.

PlmPestPlaY - Neutral. Very little participation. Although, as I mentioned earlier, this post https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13285016 seems strange. They call out Furtive yet vote Somnus. I'd like to hear more from PlmPestPlay for sure. A measly 4 post is not much to read from.

TTTT - Pretty strong town lean. A lot of good investigative posts/questions, IMO. Not much fluff to their posts as others have, which always seems scummy to me. Pretty good gut town feel early on that's been solidified after going back through their posts. I also hope you feel better soon, by the way!!!

Lukewarm - Slight scum lean here. For me, they're the least "memorable" player so far. I don't mean that as an insult or anything, but was someone when looking at the activity overview I honestly couldn't recall any of their posts. After going through them, their vote on Marcistar doesn't make much sense. They RVS'd Marci initially, which is fine. But after conversing with them they have scummy reads on myself and Furtive yet the vote stays on Marci. Why?

Alianna - I'm getting some scummy vibes here. Seems to be playing along just enough to stay involved, but without providing much context. This post https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13285334 is also rather odd to me. I seem to be their most scummy read, yet they take their vote of off me. Also this post https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13285373 has some pretty vague reads on everyone except for Marcistar. This is the first they've discussed Marcistar, unless I missed something, have them as "slightly scummy" (along with me) yet doesn't have votes on either of us. Seems like a good way to be able to come back to either of us (myself and Marcistar) later and claim they've been reading them scum when they flip scum. I know I'm town, so that only leaves one conclusion. I'm pegging Alianna and Marcistar as the scum team.

Marcistar - Scum read. I mentioned previously their vague posts. They've had one informative post here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13284596 concentrating on furtiveglance and how they have them as a scum read. Actually a pretty good post presenting their evidence as to why furtiveglance is scummy, yet they keep their vote in hand? I don't understand that. I pointed out that they hadn't voted and they responded "Do I honestly need to vote right now..? So much to talk about and I don't wanna throw my vote around without being sure and liking the vote. " here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13285143. They seemed pretty sure in post https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13284596 that furtiveglance is scummy. Seems like a little backtracking to me.

I'm aware this puts them at E-2

VOTE: MARCISTAR

[BigTerp]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig

Yes, I didn't really like

furtiveglance

's answers to my questions in posts 103 & 110 as well as his mindset 114 & 117. To me it seems that he doesn't want to solve the game because it's day 1 and hides between a curtain of meta by saying "but last game we mis-eliminated on day 1!". However his reads list in 131 was good. He does a full 180 following 130 and puts an effort in to solve, it seems. The actual reads list is hedgy, but I attribute that more to newness than scumminess. Tonally I feel like he's been a bit stiff and forced, as I believe you and Lukewarm already previously pointed out (224 or 8, for example). I'll be honest and say that I have little idea whether his newness is clouding my judgement. Currently, I have him as a scum-lean.

PlmPestPlaY

has the least amount of posts. He OMGUS' Somnus, makes a couple of statements I didn't really get in 201. I hope we can convince him to post a bit more and be more confident, else he'll remain completely unreadable. His lack of posting is

probably

due to this being his first forum game - I've been in the exact same place not even that long ago; however there's always the possibility of him being an overwhelmed mafia. He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned.

I'm a bit wary of you,

marcistar

. I don't get whether the latter part of 208 is a joke or not, but being vague makes it much harder to read you and not voting does too. Being able to double down on a take because you formulated it vague on purpose rarely helps the town and it's hard to know where you're at regarding your reads. I also agree with BigTerp's take on you with regards to the vague questions. Asking questions is completely valid and fine - I've done so a lot as well - but I'm missing the part where you draw conclusions from the answers that you've gotten and share them with the thread. However I did like your post in 169. You seemed to be putting effort into the game and the case on furtiveglance is the most well thought-out case this game. I just don't get why you wouldn't vote him after saying you find him scummy and casing him? I get that you want to make sure that you like the vote (208), but you seemed to have built a rather convincing case on him. At the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. Maybe you could explain to me why you asked the questions and what you got out of the answers (198, 158 etc.)? How do you plan on solving this game, what's your approach? It would be appreciated.

VOTE: marcistar

This post further cements my thoughts on Mr. Turtle as town and Marcistar as scum. Specifically their thoughts on Marcistar. It aligns almost exactly with my own thoughts.

Mr. Turtle - Do you have any insight on other players? Either scummy or town reads and why? Any comments/thoughts on my breakdown of everyone in the game?

[BigTerp]

Can those that haven't given full readslists do so soon/refuse and say why not?

What are your thoughts on my readlist?

[furtiveglance]

Can those that haven't given full readslists do so soon/refuse and say why not?

What are your thoughts on my readlist?

I've been townreading Alianna recently. Seems fairly chill
And PimPestPlay I'd have a bit lower down, seems very blendy/coasty, even in a self aware way. I just want more from them really

The others I'd generally agree with to a greater or lesser extent.

[TTTT]

I townread Alianna.

I do too. I know joke posts can come from either alignment, but your first two pages of posts are very unlikely to come from newbie scum. You’ve been very transparent.

I agree and should have done this a while back

UNVOTE: Alianna

[TTTT]

thank you all for the "get well soons"
feeling much better this morning

[TTTT]

I don't have any high confidence reads atm
Alianna and Terp look town
still scumlean Furtive (sorry buddy)

[TTTT]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig

Yes, I didn't really like

furtiveglance

's answers to my questions in posts 103 & 110 as well as his mindset 114 & 117. To me it seems that he doesn't want to solve the game because it's day 1 and hides between a curtain of meta by saying "but last game we mis-eliminated on day 1!". However his reads list in 131 was good. He does a full 180 following 130 and puts an effort in to solve, it seems. The actual reads list is hedgy, but I attribute that more to newness than scumminess. Tonally I feel like he's been a bit stiff and forced, as I believe you and Lukewarm already previously pointed out (224 or 8, for example). I'll be honest and say that I have little idea whether his newness is clouding my judgement. Currently, I have him as a scum-lean.

PlmPestPlaY

has the least amount of posts. He OMGUS' Somnus, makes a couple of statements I didn't really get in 201. I hope we can convince him to post a bit more and be more confident, else he'll remain completely unreadable. His lack of posting is

probably

due to this being his first forum game - I've been in the exact same place not even that long ago; however there's always the possibility of him being an overwhelmed mafia. He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned.

I'm a bit wary of you,

marcistar

. I don't get whether the latter part of 208 is a joke or not, but being vague makes it much harder to read you and not voting does too. Being able to double down on a take because you formulated it vague on purpose rarely helps the town and it's hard to know where you're at regarding your reads. I also agree with BigTerp's take on you with regards to the vague questions. Asking questions is completely valid and fine - I've done so a lot as well - but I'm missing the part where you draw conclusions from the answers that you've gotten and share them with the thread. However I did like your post in 169. You seemed to be putting effort into the game and the case on furtiveglance is the most well thought-out case this game. I just don't get why you wouldn't vote him after saying you find him scummy and casing him? I get that you want to make sure that you like the vote (208), but you seemed to have built a rather convincing case on him. At the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. Maybe you could explain to me why you asked the questions and what you got out of the answers (198, 158 etc.)? How do you plan on solving this game, what's your approach? It would be appreciated.

VOTE: marcistar

this post gives me the heebie jeebies but I cannot articulate why
I know how scummy it looks to say this
but there it is

[TTTT]

Somnus townlean

[TTTT]

Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.

Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?

Mostly.

Beware, this player is a known bamboozler as mafia.

plz explain

[furtiveglance]

I don't have any high confidence reads atm
Alianna and Terp look town
still scumlean Furtive (sorry buddy)

[TTTT]

not opposed to a Marci wagon atm
but let's see how this plays out

VOTE: PlmPestPlaY

[TTTT]

furtive
I don't love how your immediate response to my obnoxious "look at me I'm a good Newbie game player" post
was to ask for a link to the game where I lost as town

[TTTT]

and if anybody else was voting you rn I'd be on your wagon

[furtiveglance]

furtive
I don't love how your immediate response to my obnoxious "look at me I'm a good Newbie game player" post
was to ask for a link to the game where I lost as town

Just the first thing that came to mind honestly. It's not like I'm taking notes from MJL's iso

[furtiveglance]

I like reading games for entertainment value, I wouldn't study it even if I was mafia

[Frozen Angel]