Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1-7

marcistar (3)[E2]:

Lukewarm, Mr Turtle, BigTerp

PlmPestPlaY (2):

Somnus, TTTT

Somnus (1):

PlmPestPlaY

Not Voting (3):

marcistar, furtiveglance, Alianna

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 15, 5 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-15 05:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- Lukewarm is prodded.

[BigTerp]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig

Yes, I didn't really like

furtiveglance

's answers to my questions in posts 103 & 110 as well as his mindset 114 & 117. To me it seems that he doesn't want to solve the game because it's day 1 and hides between a curtain of meta by saying "but last game we mis-eliminated on day 1!". However his reads list in 131 was good. He does a full 180 following 130 and puts an effort in to solve, it seems. The actual reads list is hedgy, but I attribute that more to newness than scumminess. Tonally I feel like he's been a bit stiff and forced, as I believe you and Lukewarm already previously pointed out (224 or 8, for example). I'll be honest and say that I have little idea whether his newness is clouding my judgement. Currently, I have him as a scum-lean.

PlmPestPlaY

has the least amount of posts. He OMGUS' Somnus, makes a couple of statements I didn't really get in 201. I hope we can convince him to post a bit more and be more confident, else he'll remain completely unreadable. His lack of posting is

probably

due to this being his first forum game - I've been in the exact same place not even that long ago; however there's always the possibility of him being an overwhelmed mafia. He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned.

I'm a bit wary of you,

marcistar

. I don't get whether the latter part of 208 is a joke or not, but being vague makes it much harder to read you and not voting does too. Being able to double down on a take because you formulated it vague on purpose rarely helps the town and it's hard to know where you're at regarding your reads. I also agree with BigTerp's take on you with regards to the vague questions. Asking questions is completely valid and fine - I've done so a lot as well - but I'm missing the part where you draw conclusions from the answers that you've gotten and share them with the thread. However I did like your post in 169. You seemed to be putting effort into the game and the case on furtiveglance is the most well thought-out case this game. I just don't get why you wouldn't vote him after saying you find him scummy and casing him? I get that you want to make sure that you like the vote (208), but you seemed to have built a rather convincing case on him. At the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. Maybe you could explain to me why you asked the questions and what you got out of the answers (198, 158 etc.)? How do you plan on solving this game, what's your approach? It would be appreciated.

VOTE: marcistar

this post gives me the heebie jeebies but I cannot articulate why
I know how scummy it looks to say this
but there it is

Interesting. I have the exact opposite feel from Mr. Turtles post here. I know you said you cannot articulate why, but would love to hear more on your "heebie jeebies" feels.

[BigTerp]

not opposed to a Marci wagon atm
but let's see how this plays out

VOTE: PlmPestPlaY

I like the pressure on Marci. Would like to get them more involved in the game. I'd also be alright with some heat on Alianna. Either/Or I'd like to get some more substance from and throwing votes their way seems to be the best current way to get that.

Why the vote on PlmPestPlay?

Can you expand on your scummy feelings for Furtiveglance, and why you don't have a vote on them but instead on PlmPestPlay?

[BigTerp]

Can those that haven't given full readslists do so soon/refuse and say why not?

What are your thoughts on my readlist?

I've been townreading Alianna recently. Seems fairly chill
And PimPestPlay I'd have a bit lower down, seems very blendy/coasty, even in a self aware way. I just want more from them really

The others I'd generally agree with to a greater or lesser extent.

Thanks. Although it seems your responses, as of late, seem a little contrived and rather bland. Maybe it's just TTTT's recent posts getting in my head about you though.

[marcistar]

2) As for the defending a day 1 wagon, I think I'm being accused of hypothetically scumpositioning over a miselim here. Read Newbie 2088's Day 1 (my only previous game here) to see why I don't want a repeat of that. If someone I think is town is being voted, I won't just half-assedly say 'probably flips town' and then 'omg I told you' , I will actively defend them.

4) I used my vote on BigTerp is a kind of prod to make them talk. It wasn't on anyone before I voted them.

5) As for my interactions with TTTT, I'm not the kind of player to be suspicious of them purely because they were mafia in a previous game. I do not have TMI that they are town, it's day 1 and I am townleaning them.

Marcistar, I have entirely deconstructed your scumcase on me. Either find some new reasons to scumread me, or change your read.

Firstly I'm not tryna read past games, thats boring. I think coming in with a set in stone 100% mindset isn't all that helpful, and the way you worded it earlier made it seem (at least to me) that you would do it even without having reasons. But if you only do it when you have good reasons like you're saying now then thats fair enough.

But wasn't that right after they subbed in..? It seemed like not giving them very much time to post before you did that. (Or am I mixing up names here?)

Where did I even talk about your interactions with TTTT or said you were TMIing him? I don't remember that at all, please point it out.

And no thank you for that last part; vote me if you want.
"deconstructed" maybe, but am I done with you yet? Nope!!


(BTWS IM AT WORK AND PHONE POSTING uwu I'll respond to more later tonight but this was the only post i had time for during my break )

[PlmPestPlaY]

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

Is this vote random? You called out Furtive for claiming a role then voted Somnus. Odd.

Case in point that you are tying yourselves into knots? Somnus voted me so I returned the favor. No deeper meaning behind it. Idk what to make of furtiveglance's theatricality; idk what else to call it. BigTerp can't seem to take a joke. Wouldn't say that's a town trait. Although it's true that jokes cause confusion (furtiveglance, Somnus). Speaking purely objectively. TTTT has the most experience based on join date. TTTT is also more likely to be town, just like everyone else. So I think I'll trust TTTT. I also swear I planned to post that before you voted me. :p

Some of marcistar's posts look like they came from a bot. But I'm not sure I want to put marcistar on E1.

[PlmPestPlaY]

UNVOTE: Somnus

[furtiveglance]

Some of marcistar's posts look like they came from a bot. But I'm not sure I want to put marcistar on E1.

I think that's a bit rich. I've never seen such a garbled stream of consciousness as your last post.

What I want from you is a list of the players in this game in order of how town you think they are. It would help me greatly

[TTTT]

Interesting. I have the exact opposite feel from Mr. Turtles post here. I know you said you cannot articulate why, but would love to hear more on your "heebie jeebies" feels.

it feels too carefully constructed
I don't know Turtle yet though
I could say more but then I'll end up talking myself into taking my gut too seriously here

[furtiveglance]

2) As for the defending a day 1 wagon, I think I'm being accused of hypothetically scumpositioning over a miselim here. Read Newbie 2088's Day 1 (my only previous game here) to see why I don't want a repeat of that. If someone I think is town is being voted, I won't just half-assedly say 'probably flips town' and then 'omg I told you' , I will actively defend them.

4) I used my vote on BigTerp is a kind of prod to make them talk. It wasn't on anyone before I voted them.

5) As for my interactions with TTTT, I'm not the kind of player to be suspicious of them purely because they were mafia in a previous game. I do not have TMI that they are town, it's day 1 and I am townleaning them.

Marcistar, I have entirely deconstructed your scumcase on me. Either find some new reasons to scumread me, or change your read.

Firstly I'm not tryna read past games, thats boring. I think coming in with a set in stone 100% mindset isn't all that helpful, and the way you worded it earlier made it seem (at least to me) that you would do it even without having reasons. But if you only do it when you have good reasons like you're saying now then thats fair enough.

But wasn't that right after they subbed in..? It seemed like not giving them very much time to post before you did that. (Or am I mixing up names here?)

Where did I even talk about your interactions with TTTT or said you were TMIing him? I don't remember that at all, please point it out.

And no thank you for that last part; vote me if you want.
"deconstructed" maybe, but am I done with you yet? Nope!!


(BTWS IM AT WORK AND PHONE POSTING uwu I'll respond to more later tonight but this was the only post i had time for during my break )

What are your reads on the entire playerlist, for when you do get back?

[TTTT]

TTTT has the most experience based on join date.

TTTT is also more likely to be town, just like everyone else

. So I think I'll trust TTTT.

huh?

[TTTT]

furtive
can you explain what you meant in 219?

[furtiveglance]

furtive
can you explain what you meant in 219?

Alianna said Somnus felt town whereas I have Somnus as neutral. Partly a jokey post but partly serious

[TTTT]

Why the vote on PlmPestPlay?

Can you expand on your scummy feelings for Furtiveglance, and why you don't have a vote on them but instead on PlmPestPlay?

my iso says what I was thinking at the time regarding furtive
I'll be glad to answer specific questions but not really gonna write up a case right now since I'm not pushing for a wagon there
PPP is a better wagon at the moment for some reasons
I will gladly explain in more detail later

[Lukewarm]

I have been prodded.

I forgot the newbie games have a shorter prod timer then most.

This is explicitly a prodgr - but I'll be on for real tonight

[TTTT]

furtive
you should place that vote somewhere

[TTTT]

@marci
@Alianna
@PPP
same thing
we are several IRL days into this game
everyone should have a vote down

[PlmPestPlaY]

TTTT has the most experience based on join date.

TTTT is also more likely to be town, just like everyone else

. So I think I'll trust TTTT.

huh?

It's just probability. A player is more likely to be town. I've said already I don't believe I can read people day 1.

[BigTerp]

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

Is this vote random? You called out Furtive for claiming a role then voted Somnus. Odd.

Case in point that you are tying yourselves into knots? Somnus voted me so I returned the favor. No deeper meaning behind it. Idk what to make of furtiveglance's theatricality; idk what else to call it. BigTerp can't seem to take a joke. Wouldn't say that's a town trait. Although it's true that jokes cause confusion (furtiveglance, Somnus). Speaking purely objectively. TTTT has the most experience based on join date. TTTT is also more likely to be town, just like everyone else. So I think I'll trust TTTT. I also swear I planned to post that before you voted me. :p

Some of marcistar's posts look like they came from a bot. But I'm not sure I want to put marcistar on E1.

So, just like Somnus said, a OMGUS vote. Got it.

I've addressed the joking aspect of the game already. If you can't accept my reasoning, and my attempt to move beyond it, so be it. But pretty weak, IMO, to use as evidence to peg me as scummy.

If you're basing who you trust on experience based on join date, I joined in 2013. Why not trust me?!?!?

You're either not paying very good attention, or intentionally trying to make it look that way.

I don't know what to make of your last sentence about Marcistar's post coming from a bot. Very strange thing to say.

[BigTerp]

Interesting. I have the exact opposite feel from Mr. Turtles post here. I know you said you cannot articulate why, but would love to hear more on your "heebie jeebies" feels.

it feels too carefully constructed
I don't know Turtle yet though
I could say more but then I'll end up talking myself into taking my gut too seriously here

Fair enough. Thanks.

[TTTT]

TTTT has the most experience based on join date.

TTTT is also more likely to be town, just like everyone else

. So I think I'll trust TTTT.

huh?

It's just probability. A player is more likely to be town. I've said already I don't believe I can read people day 1.

gotcha that makes sense
I thought you were saying TTTT is more likely to be town than other players
which didn't make sense
also based on join date I am not the most experienced

[BigTerp]

@marci
@Alianna
@PPP
same thing
we are several IRL days into this game
everyone should have a vote down

I agree with this. Even Lukewarm, who needing proding, has a vote in.

[TTTT]

Interesting. I have the exact opposite feel from Mr. Turtles post here. I know you said you cannot articulate why, but would love to hear more on your "heebie jeebies" feels.

it feels too carefully constructed
I don't know Turtle yet though
I could say more but then I'll end up talking myself into taking my gut too seriously here

Fair enough. Thanks.

a bit more:
scum sometimes have a hard time maintaining consistent and live interactions in the game
it's easier to just pop in now and then with a big post with a bunch of links that looks analytical
so those kind of posts stand out to me

[PlmPestPlaY]

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

Is this vote random? You called out Furtive for claiming a role then voted Somnus. Odd.

Case in point that you are tying yourselves into knots? Somnus voted me so I returned the favor. No deeper meaning behind it. Idk what to make of furtiveglance's theatricality; idk what else to call it. BigTerp can't seem to take a joke. Wouldn't say that's a town trait. Although it's true that jokes cause confusion (furtiveglance, Somnus). Speaking purely objectively. TTTT has the most experience based on join date. TTTT is also more likely to be town, just like everyone else. So I think I'll trust TTTT. I also swear I planned to post that before you voted me. :p

Some of marcistar's posts look like they came from a bot. But I'm not sure I want to put marcistar on E1.

So, just like Somnus said, a OMGUS vote. Got it.

I've addressed the joking aspect of the game already. If you can't accept my reasoning, and my attempt to move beyond it, so be it. But pretty weak, IMO, to use as evidence to peg me as scummy.

If you're basing who you trust on experience based on join date, I joined in 2013. Why not trust me?!?!?

You're either not paying very good attention, or intentionally trying to make it look that way.

I don't know what to make of your last sentence about Marcistar's post coming from a bot. Very strange thing to say.

I hadn't noticed your join date. By coming from a bot, I do sort of mean what you meant - vague, generic, plain, etc.

[BigTerp]

Why the vote on PlmPestPlay?

Can you expand on your scummy feelings for Furtiveglance, and why you don't have a vote on them but instead on PlmPestPlay?

my iso says what I was thinking at the time regarding furtive
I'll be glad to answer specific questions but not really gonna write up a case right now since I'm not pushing for a wagon there
PPP is a better wagon at the moment for some reasons

I will gladly explain in more detail later

I look forward to this. FWIW, PPP's latest post seem rather defensive and squirmy to me. Typical scum reaction when being called out. For that reason I could be convinced to join a wagon on PPP. But I'd like to hear more from them and others first, and I'm also not ready to take the heat off Marci. Especially since they say they will be able to be more active later this evening.