Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[BigTerp]

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

Is this vote random? You called out Furtive for claiming a role then voted Somnus. Odd.

Case in point that you are tying yourselves into knots? Somnus voted me so I returned the favor. No deeper meaning behind it. Idk what to make of furtiveglance's theatricality; idk what else to call it. BigTerp can't seem to take a joke. Wouldn't say that's a town trait. Although it's true that jokes cause confusion (furtiveglance, Somnus). Speaking purely objectively. TTTT has the most experience based on join date. TTTT is also more likely to be town, just like everyone else. So I think I'll trust TTTT. I also swear I planned to post that before you voted me. :p

Some of marcistar's posts look like they came from a bot. But I'm not sure I want to put marcistar on E1.

So, just like Somnus said, a OMGUS vote. Got it.

I've addressed the joking aspect of the game already. If you can't accept my reasoning, and my attempt to move beyond it, so be it. But pretty weak, IMO, to use as evidence to peg me as scummy.

If you're basing who you trust on experience based on join date, I joined in 2013. Why not trust me?!?!?

You're either not paying very good attention, or intentionally trying to make it look that way.

I don't know what to make of your last sentence about Marcistar's post coming from a bot. Very strange thing to say.

I hadn't noticed your join date. By coming from a bot, I do sort of mean what you meant - vague, generic, plain, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

[Mr Turtle]

Mr Turtle, was my reads list good or hedgy?

Sorry, I could've formulated that better! The premise of your reads list was good. It showed that you were taking initiative and putting in an effort to solve, even though you were prodded to do so. The actual reads were hedgy, which I don't blame you for. I used to be very hedgy as well. I believe that it's more related to newness than anything else.

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig

Yes, I didn't really like

furtiveglance

's answers to my questions in posts 103 & 110 as well as his mindset 114 & 117. To me it seems that he doesn't want to solve the game because it's day 1 and hides between a curtain of meta by saying "but last game we mis-eliminated on day 1!". However his reads list in 131 was good. He does a full 180 following 130 and puts an effort in to solve, it seems. The actual reads list is hedgy, but I attribute that more to newness than scumminess. Tonally I feel like he's been a bit stiff and forced, as I believe you and Lukewarm already previously pointed out (224 or 8, for example). I'll be honest and say that I have little idea whether his newness is clouding my judgement. Currently, I have him as a scum-lean.

PlmPestPlaY

has the least amount of posts. He OMGUS' Somnus, makes a couple of statements I didn't really get in 201. I hope we can convince him to post a bit more and be more confident, else he'll remain completely unreadable. His lack of posting is

probably

due to this being his first forum game - I've been in the exact same place not even that long ago; however there's always the possibility of him being an overwhelmed mafia. He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned.

I'm a bit wary of you,

marcistar

. I don't get whether the latter part of 208 is a joke or not, but being vague makes it much harder to read you and not voting does too. Being able to double down on a take because you formulated it vague on purpose rarely helps the town and it's hard to know where you're at regarding your reads. I also agree with BigTerp's take on you with regards to the vague questions. Asking questions is completely valid and fine - I've done so a lot as well - but I'm missing the part where you draw conclusions from the answers that you've gotten and share them with the thread. However I did like your post in 169. You seemed to be putting effort into the game and the case on furtiveglance is the most well thought-out case this game. I just don't get why you wouldn't vote him after saying you find him scummy and casing him? I get that you want to make sure that you like the vote (208), but you seemed to have built a rather convincing case on him. At the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. Maybe you could explain to me why you asked the questions and what you got out of the answers (198, 158 etc.)? How do you plan on solving this game, what's your approach? It would be appreciated.

VOTE: marcistar

This post further cements my thoughts on Mr. Turtle as town and Marcistar as scum. Specifically their thoughts on Marcistar. It aligns almost exactly with my own thoughts.

Mr. Turtle - Do you have any insight on other players? Either scummy or town reads and why? Any comments/thoughts on my breakdown of everyone in the game?

Yeah, I'll give a short reads list (with colors!).

BigTerp

- You have a very straight forward and therefore transparent thought process, which I like. Although you sometimes take jokes seriously, you ask a lot of questions. You are open to understand and to re-assess, which makes me believe that you aren't just looking for someone to push but that you are actually trying to solve the game.

Alianna

- Their entrance seemed authentic. Their interactions with TTTT are definitely not something I'd expect a first time player to fake. Their transparency is also towny. Overall, they seem very comfortable in the thread. Also a hedgey reads list, which I once again will attribute to newness. I do hope that they come back soon, though.

TTTT

- TTTT has interestingly given little explanations to their posts. It's something I have seen a lot of more experienced players do, though for what I do not know. I also believe this is what makes them hard to read. The posts and explanations I've seen from them have been towny this far. Their ISO features a lot of live interaction with other people which I know is hard to fake.

Somnus

- I don't really know what to do with them. They have a high volume of posts and they're playing aggressively. This implies that they aren't afraid to be loud, which is good for town. For this reason alone I'll town-lean them, but I need to re-assess this sooner or later.

Lukewarm

- Hasn't been around much. Their opinion on furtiveglance seems to come from a genuine place, but they haven't done much else notable.

furtiveglance

- Explained above

PImpPestPlaY

- Explained above

marcistar

- Explained above

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As far as comments on your reads list goes: What do you think of Alianna's posts on page 1 & 2? Do you think that it's fakeable for their first game, especially with regards to their transparency towards TTTT? I definitely agree with you about Lukewarm being the least memorable. I'm hoping that they will post a bit more today. Also, is the reads list ordered? If so, why are Somnus + PPP above TTTT?

[BigTerp]

Mr Turtle, was my reads list good or hedgy?

Sorry, I could've formulated that better! The premise of your reads list was good. It showed that you were taking initiative and putting in an effort to solve, even though you were prodded to do so. The actual reads were hedgy, which I don't blame you for. I used to be very hedgy as well. I believe that it's more related to newness than anything else.

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig

Yes, I didn't really like

furtiveglance

's answers to my questions in posts 103 & 110 as well as his mindset 114 & 117. To me it seems that he doesn't want to solve the game because it's day 1 and hides between a curtain of meta by saying "but last game we mis-eliminated on day 1!". However his reads list in 131 was good. He does a full 180 following 130 and puts an effort in to solve, it seems. The actual reads list is hedgy, but I attribute that more to newness than scumminess. Tonally I feel like he's been a bit stiff and forced, as I believe you and Lukewarm already previously pointed out (224 or 8, for example). I'll be honest and say that I have little idea whether his newness is clouding my judgement. Currently, I have him as a scum-lean.

PlmPestPlaY

has the least amount of posts. He OMGUS' Somnus, makes a couple of statements I didn't really get in 201. I hope we can convince him to post a bit more and be more confident, else he'll remain completely unreadable. His lack of posting is

probably

due to this being his first forum game - I've been in the exact same place not even that long ago; however there's always the possibility of him being an overwhelmed mafia. He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned.

I'm a bit wary of you,

marcistar

. I don't get whether the latter part of 208 is a joke or not, but being vague makes it much harder to read you and not voting does too. Being able to double down on a take because you formulated it vague on purpose rarely helps the town and it's hard to know where you're at regarding your reads. I also agree with BigTerp's take on you with regards to the vague questions. Asking questions is completely valid and fine - I've done so a lot as well - but I'm missing the part where you draw conclusions from the answers that you've gotten and share them with the thread. However I did like your post in 169. You seemed to be putting effort into the game and the case on furtiveglance is the most well thought-out case this game. I just don't get why you wouldn't vote him after saying you find him scummy and casing him? I get that you want to make sure that you like the vote (208), but you seemed to have built a rather convincing case on him. At the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. Maybe you could explain to me why you asked the questions and what you got out of the answers (198, 158 etc.)? How do you plan on solving this game, what's your approach? It would be appreciated.

VOTE: marcistar

This post further cements my thoughts on Mr. Turtle as town and Marcistar as scum. Specifically their thoughts on Marcistar. It aligns almost exactly with my own thoughts.

Mr. Turtle - Do you have any insight on other players? Either scummy or town reads and why? Any comments/thoughts on my breakdown of everyone in the game?

Yeah, I'll give a short reads list (with colors!).

BigTerp

- You have a very straight forward and therefore transparent thought process, which I like. Although you sometimes take jokes seriously, you ask a lot of questions. You are open to understand and to re-assess, which makes me believe that you aren't just looking for someone to push but that you are actually trying to solve the game.

Alianna

- Their entrance seemed authentic. Their interactions with TTTT are definitely not something I'd expect a first time player to fake. Their transparency is also towny. Overall, they seem very comfortable in the thread. Also a hedgey reads list, which I once again will attribute to newness. I do hope that they come back soon, though.

TTTT

- TTTT has interestingly given little explanations to their posts. It's something I have seen a lot of more experienced players do, though for what I do not know. I also believe this is what makes them hard to read. The posts and explanations I've seen from them have been towny this far. Their ISO features a lot of live interaction with other people which I know is hard to fake.

Somnus

- I don't really know what to do with them. They have a high volume of posts and they're playing aggressively. This implies that they aren't afraid to be loud, which is good for town. For this reason alone I'll town-lean them, but I need to re-assess this sooner or later.

Lukewarm

- Hasn't been around much. Their opinion on furtiveglance seems to come from a genuine place, but they haven't done much else notable.

furtiveglance

- Explained above

PImpPestPlaY

- Explained above

marcistar

- Explained above

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As far as comments on your reads list goes: What do you think of Alianna's posts on page 1 & 2? Do you think that it's fakeable for their first game, especially with regards to their transparency towards TTTT? I definitely agree with you about Lukewarm being the least memorable. I'm hoping that they will post a bit more today. Also, is the reads list ordered? If so, why are Somnus + PPP above TTTT?

Thanks for the readlist. And LOL on the colors. Much appreciated!!! I don't have a lot of time, currently, to go through your readlist, but will when I have the time.

As far as Alianna's posts on page 1 and 2, they felt very flaky to me. Like someone that was excited to play, came into the game, and didn't really know what to say so just joined into the fun banter that the first part of the game had. But at the same time, that would provide good cover for scum to seem engaged and get the post count up yet be rather forgettable posts. As far as their interaction with TTTT, it could come across as rather contrived. You're making some good/interesting observations and asking some good/interesting questions.

My list is not ordered. I went down the ISO list to read each persons post as I made my readlist and that's the order I presented my list in. The only two I put in a specific order where the last two, Alianna and Marciastar because they were/are my scum reads.

[TTTT]

Turtle's reads above are almost completely in sync with mine

[TTTT]

Luke get back in here so I can see what your scumgame looks like

[furtiveglance]

I agree with most of those reads Turtle, apart from me in orange.
I won't vote until I've heard PimPestPlay's full reads, as well as some contribution from Lukewarm and Marcistar's update tonight.

[Lukewarm]

I am here - just now starting my catchup

[Lukewarm]

whats ur readlists thn

I'll try to get one out tonight once I have done my catch up

[Lukewarm]

Big fan of Turtles's 182

Spoiler:

Hey furtive
can you tell me who between Alanna and PimP
has a scummier entrance so far
and why?
yeah I know it's super early
but I need to see how you are thinking

I can't really read entrances like you seem to think you can. I will say this though, it was interesting that Alianna gave some ground in 52 and 54 when I would probably have told you to get lost. Town can be self-aware as well as mafia however.

As for PP (lol), their entrance seemed (again in a self-aware way) clumsy and awkward - 'Can't delete posts, right?'.

None of this is really something I would form reads on,

I prefer to analyse after the fact.

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

After what fact?

The day 1 vote will give us a flip. I will use that to analyse day 1.

In your opinion, would you say "clumsy and awkward" entrance posts are more likely to be town or mafia?

No opinion on that like I said, just giving TTTT what they wanted.

So what is your plan for day 1 while you wait for a flip?

I will probably wait for a wagon to form, then defend the person getting voted/question the people on the wagon

I understand that from the perspective of a newer player it may seem like there isn't much to go off of during day 1, but just waiting on D1 until a wagon forms doesn't help advance town in any way. D1 is usually the hardest day-phase, because it's about creating content without actually having much content to go off of. Hence why RVS is a good way to get the game started.

I don't get your point about defending the person getting voted? Will you defend them regardless of your read on them?

Scratch that, I will give some very primitive reads, on order of how town I think a player is.

My biggest townread is Mr Turtle. They seem quite frank in a way that mafia might not be on day 1.

Also townlean on TTTT, seem to be trying to advance the game.

I will stay neutral on Somnus, they have said nothing about the game so far.

Lukewarm has said eww twice and nothing else, so no read.

Marci has not arrived yet - no read.

Alianna had a strange interaction with TTTT at the start, I will say no read because it wasn't really game related but could be nervous mafia or nervous town. Either way nervous

PimpPestPlay has seemed a bit blendy so far, almost like they want to be ignored in some posts. I will need more substance from them, for now it is a tentative scumlean.

BigTerp asked if I was cop in one of their first posts, which seems strange. Did they really not know I was joking about being a Rolecop? And do they really not know what the difference between Cop and Rolecop is alignment-wise? They insist on having no confusion but have given me some confusion so far. It could be that they aren't a native speaker/are new to this website/setup?
For now it's a tentative scumlean.

I'm glad you shared some initial reads. I have a couple questions though.

Why is mafia not frank on day 1?

Do you reckon that Somnus not saying anything about the game but still having a high amount of posts is alignment-indicative in any way?
Could PImPestPlay be blendy because they're new & nervous? Why are they a scum-lean?

I'm glad that you shared your reads and it makes me want to town-lean you. Some of your reasonings I don't see or agree with, but that's fine considering that it's early on and that they're bare-boned.

Especially the line that I highlighted. Would not expect a newbie scum to undercut a town read handed to them for a fairly weak reason.

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm, if you think I'm playing differently it could be because this is a new game. The first 100 posts had a more jokey/relaxed feel.

This is a decent point, I might need to look back at the start of our last game at some point, but that is not likely happening today

[Lukewarm]

@Luke - your feedback on this would be helpful
I think his last reply was reasonable
but I'm open for second opinions
it's hard to step outside myself for this one

Spoiler: Y U NO PARANOID FURTIVE?

it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

Last game you townread a lot of people. This game you seem more investigative/paranoid/scumhunting.

I feel like his read on you is the less interesting one? I think you seem fairly townie as well, at least for this early in the game.

But his other town reads bother me after making such a big deal ALL GAME last game telling me that I was town reading people too easily. And then his "strongest town read" is turtle with his 3 total posts

Just noticed this. I told you last game you were biased towards high frequency posting, which was true. That would be if I gave Somnus a townread (I didn't). In fact I gave 2 townreads/townleans in total, out of 8 other players. The rest were either no read or scumleans.

I am pretty sure that your critique of my play was not just on high frequency posters, and especially after my early Day 1 reads list you called me out for handing out town reads "like candy," too early, and for players that, in your opinion, had not done anything alignment indicative yet.

[Lukewarm]

I think you might be town B)

You're be correct.

Was your post "no, r u?" when asked if you were town just a joke post?

For context for other people, Marci and I are friends, and we generally ask each other point blank each game if the other is mafia. (Almost like a running joke ?)

I actually messed up asking my question, and asked if she was town instead of it she was scum. My immediate assumption when I saw her response was that she did not realize that I had swapped the question around, and answered the usual question. So I did not really get that bothered by it.

But I do find it weird now that she appears to be doubling down on it being an intentional joke post.

[furtiveglance]

@Luke - your feedback on this would be helpful
I think his last reply was reasonable
but I'm open for second opinions
it's hard to step outside myself for this one

Spoiler: Y U NO PARANOID FURTIVE?

it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

Last game you townread a lot of people. This game you seem more investigative/paranoid/scumhunting.

I feel like his read on you is the less interesting one? I think you seem fairly townie as well, at least for this early in the game.

But his other town reads bother me after making such a big deal ALL GAME last game telling me that I was town reading people too easily. And then his "strongest town read" is turtle with his 3 total posts

Just noticed this. I told you last game you were biased towards high frequency posting, which was true. That would be if I gave Somnus a townread (I didn't). In fact I gave 2 townreads/townleans in total, out of 8 other players. The rest were either no read or scumleans.

I am pretty sure that your critique of my play was not just on high frequency posters, and especially after my early Day 1 reads list you called me out for handing out town reads "like candy," too early, and for players that, in your opinion, had not done anything alignment indicative yet.

Yes. Townreading is subjective and always will be. I disagreed last game. If you don't townread Mr Turtle that's fine. I do, and I explained why.

[Lukewarm]

I townread Alianna.

I town read this post lol

[Lukewarm]

@Luke - your feedback on this would be helpful
I think his last reply was reasonable
but I'm open for second opinions
it's hard to step outside myself for this one

Spoiler: Y U NO PARANOID FURTIVE?

it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

Last game you townread a lot of people. This game you seem more investigative/paranoid/scumhunting.

I feel like his read on you is the less interesting one? I think you seem fairly townie as well, at least for this early in the game.

But his other town reads bother me after making such a big deal ALL GAME last game telling me that I was town reading people too easily. And then his "strongest town read" is turtle with his 3 total posts

Just noticed this. I told you last game you were biased towards high frequency posting, which was true. That would be if I gave Somnus a townread (I didn't). In fact I gave 2 townreads/townleans in total, out of 8 other players. The rest were either no read or scumleans.

I am pretty sure that your critique of my play was not just on high frequency posters, and especially after my early Day 1 reads list you called me out for handing out town reads "like candy," too early, and for players that, in your opinion, had not done anything alignment indicative yet.

Yes. Townreading is subjective and always will be. I disagreed last game. If you don't townread Mr Turtle that's fine. I do, and I explained why.

I am not going to keep engaging with you on this at the moment.

This aspect at least feels like last game, where you completely and totally miss the point I make when I explain why I am suspicious of something you do. It is kind of annoying to interact with, but probably means you are +town this game. That seems like a very strange interactional quirk for you to be focused on replicating.

[Lukewarm]

I am not going to keep engaging with you on this at the moment.

This aspect at least feels like last game, where you completely and totally miss the point I make when I explain why I am suspicious of something you do. It is kind of annoying to interact with, but probably means you are +town this game. That seems like a very strange interactional quirk for you to be focused on replicating.

Annoying does not seem like the right word. I would like to adjust that to frustrating.

Frustrating, because I very much don't like the feeling of people not understanding what I am trying to say, but I also remember last game where we went in circles and it not getting resolved, so it feels like the best thing to do is to just let it sit with me feeling like you never understood my point.

[Lukewarm]

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

Sorry if this has already been answered later on and I have not gotten to it yet - but, @PPP, was this a completely random vote?

It looks that way since none of the content of the post has anything to do with Somnus - but actually Furtive - but also we are 200 posts into the game, so rvs votes are not ideal any more

[Lukewarm]

Big fan of Turtles's 182

Spoiler:

Hey furtive
can you tell me who between Alanna and PimP
has a scummier entrance so far
and why?
yeah I know it's super early
but I need to see how you are thinking

I can't really read entrances like you seem to think you can. I will say this though, it was interesting that Alianna gave some ground in 52 and 54 when I would probably have told you to get lost. Town can be self-aware as well as mafia however.

As for PP (lol), their entrance seemed (again in a self-aware way) clumsy and awkward - 'Can't delete posts, right?'.

None of this is really something I would form reads on,

I prefer to analyse after the fact.

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

After what fact?

The day 1 vote will give us a flip. I will use that to analyse day 1.

In your opinion, would you say "clumsy and awkward" entrance posts are more likely to be town or mafia?

No opinion on that like I said, just giving TTTT what they wanted.

So what is your plan for day 1 while you wait for a flip?

I will probably wait for a wagon to form, then defend the person getting voted/question the people on the wagon

I understand that from the perspective of a newer player it may seem like there isn't much to go off of during day 1, but just waiting on D1 until a wagon forms doesn't help advance town in any way. D1 is usually the hardest day-phase, because it's about creating content without actually having much content to go off of. Hence why RVS is a good way to get the game started.

I don't get your point about defending the person getting voted? Will you defend them regardless of your read on them?

Scratch that, I will give some very primitive reads, on order of how town I think a player is.

My biggest townread is Mr Turtle. They seem quite frank in a way that mafia might not be on day 1.

Also townlean on TTTT, seem to be trying to advance the game.

I will stay neutral on Somnus, they have said nothing about the game so far.

Lukewarm has said eww twice and nothing else, so no read.

Marci has not arrived yet - no read.

Alianna had a strange interaction with TTTT at the start, I will say no read because it wasn't really game related but could be nervous mafia or nervous town. Either way nervous

PimpPestPlay has seemed a bit blendy so far, almost like they want to be ignored in some posts. I will need more substance from them, for now it is a tentative scumlean.

BigTerp asked if I was cop in one of their first posts, which seems strange. Did they really not know I was joking about being a Rolecop? And do they really not know what the difference between Cop and Rolecop is alignment-wise? They insist on having no confusion but have given me some confusion so far. It could be that they aren't a native speaker/are new to this website/setup?
For now it's a tentative scumlean.

I'm glad you shared some initial reads. I have a couple questions though.

Why is mafia not frank on day 1?

Do you reckon that Somnus not saying anything about the game but still having a high amount of posts is alignment-indicative in any way?
Could PImPestPlay be blendy because they're new & nervous? Why are they a scum-lean?

I'm glad that you shared your reads and it makes me want to town-lean you. Some of your reasonings I don't see or agree with, but that's fine considering that it's early on and that they're bare-boned.

Especially the line that I highlighted. Would not expect a newbie scum to undercut a town read handed to them for a fairly weak reason.

I just saw that I misread Turtle's join date, and it was in 2020, not 2021. This is probably a weaker point if they have been around, but I do still like it.

[Lukewarm]

Big fan of Turtles's 182

Spoiler:

Hey furtive
can you tell me who between Alanna and PimP
has a scummier entrance so far
and why?
yeah I know it's super early
but I need to see how you are thinking

I can't really read entrances like you seem to think you can. I will say this though, it was interesting that Alianna gave some ground in 52 and 54 when I would probably have told you to get lost. Town can be self-aware as well as mafia however.

As for PP (lol), their entrance seemed (again in a self-aware way) clumsy and awkward - 'Can't delete posts, right?'.

None of this is really something I would form reads on,

I prefer to analyse after the fact.

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

After what fact?

The day 1 vote will give us a flip. I will use that to analyse day 1.

In your opinion, would you say "clumsy and awkward" entrance posts are more likely to be town or mafia?

No opinion on that like I said, just giving TTTT what they wanted.

So what is your plan for day 1 while you wait for a flip?

I will probably wait for a wagon to form, then defend the person getting voted/question the people on the wagon

I understand that from the perspective of a newer player it may seem like there isn't much to go off of during day 1, but just waiting on D1 until a wagon forms doesn't help advance town in any way. D1 is usually the hardest day-phase, because it's about creating content without actually having much content to go off of. Hence why RVS is a good way to get the game started.

I don't get your point about defending the person getting voted? Will you defend them regardless of your read on them?

Scratch that, I will give some very primitive reads, on order of how town I think a player is.

My biggest townread is Mr Turtle. They seem quite frank in a way that mafia might not be on day 1.

Also townlean on TTTT, seem to be trying to advance the game.

I will stay neutral on Somnus, they have said nothing about the game so far.

Lukewarm has said eww twice and nothing else, so no read.

Marci has not arrived yet - no read.

Alianna had a strange interaction with TTTT at the start, I will say no read because it wasn't really game related but could be nervous mafia or nervous town. Either way nervous

PimpPestPlay has seemed a bit blendy so far, almost like they want to be ignored in some posts. I will need more substance from them, for now it is a tentative scumlean.

BigTerp asked if I was cop in one of their first posts, which seems strange. Did they really not know I was joking about being a Rolecop? And do they really not know what the difference between Cop and Rolecop is alignment-wise? They insist on having no confusion but have given me some confusion so far. It could be that they aren't a native speaker/are new to this website/setup?
For now it's a tentative scumlean.

I'm glad you shared some initial reads. I have a couple questions though.

Why is mafia not frank on day 1?

Do you reckon that Somnus not saying anything about the game but still having a high amount of posts is alignment-indicative in any way?
Could PImPestPlay be blendy because they're new & nervous? Why are they a scum-lean?

I'm glad that you shared your reads and it makes me want to town-lean you. Some of your reasonings I don't see or agree with, but that's fine considering that it's early on and that they're bare-boned.

Especially the line that I highlighted. Would not expect a newbie scum to undercut a town read handed to them for a fairly weak reason.

I just saw that I misread Turtle's join date, and it was in 2020, not 2021. This is probably a weaker point if they have been around, but I do still like it.

Back again to amend this. Just checked how many games they have, and despite joining in 2020, they have not been in game. Looks like they have exactly 1 newbie game before this, and they did not play much in there.

[Lukewarm]

@lukewarm

I know you were anxiously waiting for Marci to join the game so you could get an early read on her. What are your initial thoughts?

Initial thoughts are kinda Meh, but not conclusive.

Marci is fairly easy to read really early in a game, during a lot of real time interactions. But those just never happened this game, so I did not get what I was hoping for with her.

So, Null Scum

[Lukewarm]

TTTT - You are entirely unreadable.

Is this because of just this game, or have you played with TTTT before?

[Lukewarm]

Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.

Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?

Mostly.

Beware, this player is a known bamboozler as mafia.

Do you scum read Somnus, or are you just undercutting Alianna's town read there?

[furtiveglance]

Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.

Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?

Mostly.

Beware, this player is a known bamboozler as mafia.

Do you scum read Somnus, or are you just undercutting Alianna's town read there?

Scumread is too strong. I have a slight suspicion over their interactions with BigTerp. BigTerp was saying Somnus was weird/confusing for something that I said, and I thought Somnus' reaction was slightly overkill when no one really thought anything of it anyway, as if Somnus was unnecessarily defensive. That said, I am having fun talking to Somnus so I want them to stay alive.

[Lukewarm]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig

Yes, I didn't really like

furtiveglance

's answers to my questions in posts 103 & 110 as well as his mindset 114 & 117. To me it seems that he doesn't want to solve the game because it's day 1 and hides between a curtain of meta by saying "but last game we mis-eliminated on day 1!". However his reads list in 131 was good. He does a full 180 following 130 and puts an effort in to solve, it seems. The actual reads list is hedgy, but I attribute that more to newness than scumminess. Tonally I feel like he's been a bit stiff and forced, as I believe you and Lukewarm already previously pointed out (224 or 8, for example). I'll be honest and say that I have little idea whether his newness is clouding my judgement. Currently, I have him as a scum-lean.

PlmPestPlaY

has the least amount of posts. He OMGUS' Somnus, makes a couple of statements I didn't really get in 201. I hope we can convince him to post a bit more and be more confident, else he'll remain completely unreadable. His lack of posting is

probably

due to this being his first forum game - I've been in the exact same place not even that long ago; however there's always the possibility of him being an overwhelmed mafia. He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned.

I'm a bit wary of you,

marcistar

. I don't get whether the latter part of 208 is a joke or not, but being vague makes it much harder to read you and not voting does too. Being able to double down on a take because you formulated it vague on purpose rarely helps the town and it's hard to know where you're at regarding your reads. I also agree with BigTerp's take on you with regards to the vague questions. Asking questions is completely valid and fine - I've done so a lot as well - but I'm missing the part where you draw conclusions from the answers that you've gotten and share them with the thread. However I did like your post in 169. You seemed to be putting effort into the game and the case on furtiveglance is the most well thought-out case this game. I just don't get why you wouldn't vote him after saying you find him scummy and casing him? I get that you want to make sure that you like the vote (208), but you seemed to have built a rather convincing case on him. At the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. Maybe you could explain to me why you asked the questions and what you got out of the answers (198, 158 etc.)? How do you plan on solving this game, what's your approach? It would be appreciated.

VOTE: marcistar

This is probably the towniest post I have read so far this game. Congratulations Mr. Turtle.

[Lukewarm]

Throwing votes at people is a good way to get conversation going, especially day 1. I'm not sure anyone has solid scum reads at this point. No need to wait until your 100% convinced of that to put your vote down.

I have seen Marci's lack of vote brought up a lot, so I thought I would let everyone know that a lack of vote is NAI for Marci. I don't particularly agree with the approach, but it is consistent across multiple games I have played with her.

I have also seen it brought up, and also seen people do meta checks on her to see that she really does just play that way

I checked around Marci's topics and found a newbie game where town!Marci didn't vote until after post 500...

Marci