Newbie 2089 | Endgame

[ProgoWoshua]

I suspect the scum team is fwog/Frog, and Frog just want to move the elimination away from his partner at all costs.

[ofmercia]

I feel pretty certain Mercia/Frog never flips scum so i should probably use that as my basis.
VOTE: Progowoshua
I’ll join you here.

Why not strange then. Since fwog voted there now.

[Frogsterking]

I think flipping Progo wins for Town.

[ProgoWoshua]

I think flipping me wins for you.

[Frogsterking]

Okay, why can't I be a townie who misreads you Progo?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel pretty certain Mercia/Frog never flips scum so i should probably use that as my basis.
VOTE: Progowoshua
I’ll join you here.

Why not strange then. Since fwog voted there now.

Because Strange is more of an nothing slot, but i don’y see scum motivation. They just don’t do much, which can be town depending on the player. And in this case i don’t see it being very allignment indicative.
Progo tho feels a bit like they could be scum but tryna look town.

[ProgoWoshua]

Process of elimination. I believe both scum is in [Frog, fwog, Strange]. The only other possibility is that fwog is reverse bussing Strange.

[ProgoWoshua]

Okay, why can't I be a townie who misreads you Progo?

Process of elimination. I believe both scum is in [Frog, fwog, Strange]. The only other possibility is that fwog is reverse bussing Strange.

I should have quoted Frog there.

[Frogsterking]

Yes what you've said is true fwog and I actually scum read enough of your reactions to be willing to double down on you now fwog. I think you have a like 50% chance to flip scum which is great expected value for town on D1.

Hm, no.

Here is the problem I have with some of your reads. First off you never answered my question when I asked how I, specifically, was scummier than Kitty. Along the way you continue to talk about the two of us in a couple of short posts that don't say anything. You've linked a couple posts describing that they had more content than the "positions" we've taken. Why is this? And then right after that you say "I don't like how Fwog/Kitty put just enough effort to get townread and are posed with their outted scumreads on town limbait". There is so much wrong with this statement. Number one, of course you put in effort, that's usually how a lot of people get townread day 1. Look at Tist with his wordy posts, look at Norwegian with the amount of posts they've made. Then you look at someone like yourself/Auto/StrangeMatter who haven't made a whole lot of posts/put a whole lot of words in them. The top posters managed to get themselves out of mostly consensus PoE for today (because I know some people don't like Tist, which is fine). Specifically the "outted scumread" part is pinging me because you're discouraging me from making a scumread on someone who you think is town. I'm allowed to have my own opinions about people in the game, and in this case, I think Auto is scum. I'll get to that in a minute

Second off, your limbait reads aren't good reads. Your explanation for Auto being town is because he "doesn't post much" and is "paranoid of a popular town read". The second reason for that is fine, but the first one isn't. How does it make sense for someone like Auto to be town in your eyes because he doesn't post much, while someone like me is, in your words "50% to flip scum", with a decent amount of posts? I get that I don't put words in my posts but that's just how I play. I'm not a wordy type of guy unless I absolutely need to be.

Third off is the post where you say "You have a 50% chance to flip scum, which is great expected value for town" itself. If you're really relying on self calculated RNG more than your own intuition and logic thinking then you need to change your game up a bit because that's not how mafia works. You and Tist can calculate all the probabilities you want but at the end of the day, the game is about deception, not probability. In that same post you say "I scumread a lot of your reactions to be willing to double down on you" Ok, what reactions pinged you? Which ones were scummier than others?

I'm not sure what makes you think this whole section of D1 is faked. I think Frog+fwog is tinfoil.

[ProgoWoshua]

I had completely forgotten about that whole thing in Day 1. You're right, Frog + fwog is unthinkable.

[Frogsterking]

216 and 695 the reasoning for your townread on Kitty is garbage. They both can be summarized as "Kitty would do [post x] as mafia or as town. I have decided Kitty is town."

If you can't rule out Kitty as scum then you can't claim to scum read me by PoE.

[Frogsterking]

In 216 you claim 75

clears

Kitty..

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 2.06

fwogcarf

(3): ofmercia, ProgoWoshua, KittyTacky

ProgoWoshua

(2): Frogsterking, NorwegianboyEE

StrangeMatter

(1): fwogcarf

Not Voting

(1): StrangeMatter

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2022-03-09 11:21:56)

[ProgoWoshua]

216 and 695 the reasoning for your townread on Kitty is garbage. They both can be summarized as "Kitty would do [post x] as mafia or as town. I have decided Kitty is town."

If you can't rule out Kitty as scum then you can't claim to scum read me by PoE.

I townread Kitty for his actions throughout Day 1. His hammer vote on Auto is NAI.

[Frogsterking]

I'm trying to imagine a world where 75

clears

Kitty. It's even more difficult to imagine than Kitty hard-townreading Strange.

[Frogsterking]

Progo, in 695 you say you townread Kitty for the same reasons you explained earlier and in 216 you say Kitty defending you was late which is scummy

however

Kitty is "CLEAR" because of 75. Ever since 216 you have written and behaved as though Kitty is clear because of 75.

[Frogsterking]

I had completely forgotten about that whole thing in Day 1. You're right, Frog + fwog is unthinkable.

Yes and no scumteam I'm a part of is ever going to kill TistDaniel N1.

[ofmercia]

Process of elimination. I believe both scum is in [Frog, fwog, Strange]. The only other possibility is that fwog is reverse bussing Strange.

Frog is town, it's fwog/strange/kitty

[Frogsterking]

Process of elimination. I believe both scum is in [Frog, fwog, Strange]. The only other possibility is that fwog is reverse bussing Strange.

Frog is town, it's fwog/strange/kitty

I think he knows dude, he doesn't care. He unironically has townread Kitty all game for 75. Like by saying he's using PoE he's saying he's sure of Frog+fwog because of 75 which indicates Progo has an agenda.

[ofmercia]

I'm trying to imagine a world where 75

clears

Kitty. It's even more difficult to imagine than Kitty hard-townreading Strange.

The problem is 75 is not clearing kitty from scum, but clearing an accusation instead.

Look at it like this. In 216, progo says kitty's defense on his intend/pretend slip comes in at post 86 (which is late and already been dissolved) so

look like it could be scum waiting

.

Then progo shows 75 which

clears kitty from the underlined above accusation.

[ofmercia]

Process of elimination. I believe both scum is in [Frog, fwog, Strange]. The only other possibility is that fwog is reverse bussing Strange.

Frog is town, it's fwog/strange/kitty

I think he knows dude, he doesn't care. He unironically has townread Kitty all game for 75. Like by saying he's using PoE he's saying he's sure of Frog+fwog because of 75 which indicates Progo has an agenda.

Fwog IS red here. Your strong defense of him is making it look like you're the partner so I get where he's coming from. But to me I can see you vs progo being TvT.

[Frogsterking]

I'm trying to imagine a world where 75

clears

Kitty. It's even more difficult to imagine than Kitty hard-townreading Strange.

The problem is 75 is not clearing kitty from scum, but clearing an accusation instead.

Look at it like this. In 216, progo says kitty's defense on his intend/pretend slip comes in at post 86 (which is late and already been dissolved) so

look like it could be scum waiting

.

Then progo shows 75 which

clears kitty from the underlined above accusation.

Process of elimination. I believe both scum is in [Frog, fwog, Strange]. The only other possibility is that fwog is reverse bussing Strange.

Frog is town, it's fwog/strange/kitty

I think he knows dude, he doesn't care. He unironically has townread Kitty all game for 75. Like by saying he's using PoE he's saying he's sure of Frog+fwog because of 75 which indicates Progo has an agenda.

Fwog IS red here. Your strong defense of him is making it look like you're the partner so I get where he's coming from. But to me I can see you vs progo being TvT.

I understand, so

why

is Progo certain that Kitty is town if their only stated reasons are NAI?

[ofmercia]

@frog good point.

I had completely forgotten about that whole thing in Day 1. You're right, Frog + fwog is unthinkable.

@progo so now that you can't see frog + fwog who do you think it is?

[Frogsterking]

There is circular logic between 216, 695 and what Progo says in the present. Progo says they have used process of elimination so I look back to see how they eliminated Kitty and find 695 which refers to 216 where the closest thing to a towntell is 75.

[Frogsterking]

Ninja'd