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Post Post #2750 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:10 am

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In post 2747, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 2703, Cape90 wrote:not sure how much playing of mafia since 2008 has helped him, like come on, I was a literal child back then
this made me realize that some people here have probs been playing mafia since before i was born and that is kinda terrifying
Since I was in my teens and am now in mid 30s.
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Post Post #2751 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:11 am

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In post 126, Mizzytastic wrote:
Go is often said to have three rules, of which the first is capturing stones. The four intersections connecting to a stone are it's liberties. If your opponent surrounds all the liberties of a stone it is captured. A stone with only one liberty left is in
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Official Votecount 1.1Datisi (2): skitter30, tenebrousluminary
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tenebrousluminary (2): Datisi, fireisredsir
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skitter30 (1): Yeet
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (13): Scorpious, Save The Dragons, Nero Cain, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, fua, Eyes without a face, VP Baltar, Aristeia, Cape90, Nordom, humaneatingmonkey, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

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In post 253, Mizzytastic wrote:
Stones connected horizontally and vertically form groups. To capture a group all the liberties of all the stones need to be taken.


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Official Votecount 1.2Datisi (4): tenebrousluminary, skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey
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humaneatingmonkey (3): Aristeia, Cape90, Nero Cain
tenebrousluminary (2): fireisredsir, fua
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (8): Scorpious, Save The Dragons, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, VP Baltar, Nordom, GeneralWu

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There was an error in this vote count where
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In post 475, Mizzytastic wrote:
The second rule of go is the suicide rule. You cannot play in a position that reduces the liberties of one of your groups to zero, resulting in it being captured.


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Official Votecount 1.3GeneralWu (4): Nero Cain, fua, VP Baltar, tenebrousluminary
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Datisi (3): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey
tenebrousluminary (2): fireisredsir, Save The Dragons
humaneatingmonkey (2): Aristeia, Cape90
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (6): Scorpious, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, Nordom, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

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In post 625, Mizzytastic wrote:
It isn't suicide to play a stone that captures your opponents stones, even if it has no liberties before the capture removes those stones.


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Official Votecount 1.4Datisi (5): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey, Nordom, tenebrousluminary
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humaneatingmonkey (3): Aristeia, Cape90, VP Baltar
Yeet (2): Frogsterking, Nero Cain
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Eyes without a face (1): Save The Dragons
tenebrousluminary (1): fireisredsir
GeneralWu (1): fua

Not Voting (5): Scorpious, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

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ko
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Official Votecount 1.6Datisi (5): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey, Nordom, tenebrousluminary
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Nordom (3): fireisredsir, DeasVail, Nero Cain
humaneatingmonkey (2): Aristeia, Cape90
fua (1): VP Baltar
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Eyes without a face (1): Save The Dragons
Yeet (1): Frogsterking
GeneralWu (1): fua

Not Voting (4): Scorpious, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

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Apologies for the big quotes, but I'm really interested in how the Datisi heat suddenly died off after a while. Like, there's obviously some confirmed town in here, but I always felt like the Datisi heat was pretty poorly constructed and didn't work. Increasingly I'm wondering if there's some solid logic here in the idea that some mafia themselves started to realise it was a rubbish wagon and directed their attentions elsewhere before it got them into more trouble.
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Post Post #2752 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:11 am

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In post 2712, Yeet wrote:Cape and Baltar is probably TvT.
what makes you believe that Baltar is town?
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Post Post #2753 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:12 am

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In post 2552, MathBlade wrote:3) The lack of noticing who is on the playerlist doesn’t correspond to their shot claim. They said “someone who started with F” okay still multiple people. If they intended it to be one fua would have just said the name. Instead Skitter goes why fire and Fua goes along with it.

So Fua can’t have suddenly forgot Frog exists while making a PoE of who they shot. That seems off.
This isn't entirely unpersuasive.

The lack of a CC thing is notable though. You'd expect a second killing role in a game this size.
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Post Post #2754 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:12 am

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In post 2749, tenebrousluminary wrote:
In post 2746, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2744, tenebrousluminary wrote:It feels like at least one of VP and Yeet is scum in this interaction.
Maybe. What are your thoughts on Scorpious?
I gave an opinion on him a few posts ago. Light town because I think scum would stop the line of posting he's made upon observing that no one likes it.
I don’t think so.

I think that’s inaccurate.

I think Scorpious is a newb scum who doesn’t know how to fake reads (or an old scum that doesn’t care to).

Sure he may not be able to read the entire game if town but a read is not too much to ask.
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Post Post #2755 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:13 am

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In post 2753, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2552, MathBlade wrote:3) The lack of noticing who is on the playerlist doesn’t correspond to their shot claim. They said “someone who started with F” okay still multiple people. If they intended it to be one fua would have just said the name. Instead Skitter goes why fire and Fua goes along with it.

So Fua can’t have suddenly forgot Frog exists while making a PoE of who they shot. That seems off.
This isn't entirely unpersuasive.

The lack of a CC thing is notable though. You'd expect a second killing role in a game this size.
It’s why I am letting it sit until after work.
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Post Post #2756 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:13 am

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In post 2754, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2749, tenebrousluminary wrote:
In post 2746, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2744, tenebrousluminary wrote:It feels like at least one of VP and Yeet is scum in this interaction.
Maybe. What are your thoughts on Scorpious?
I gave an opinion on him a few posts ago. Light town because I think scum would stop the line of posting he's made upon observing that no one likes it.
I don’t think so.

I think that’s inaccurate.

I think Scorpious is a newb scum who doesn’t know how to fake reads (or an old scum that doesn’t care to).

Sure he may not be able to read the entire game if town but a read is not too much to ask.
Hence, light. This is not impossible at all.
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Post Post #2757 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:13 am

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In post 2374, Mizzytastic wrote:
The last step is
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, the bonus points awarded to white for making black go first. In most rules it is either 6.5 or 7.5, with the .5 being to avoid draws. Following Japanese rules, which uses territory counting and 6.5 komi that would be black winning by +11.5.


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Official Votecount 1.17Yeet (4): Frogsterking, humaneatingmonkey, VP Baltar, Datisi
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GeneralWu (3): tenebrousluminary, fireisredsir, Yeet
fua (2): skitter30, April Ludgate
skitter30 (2): fua, MathBlade
Nero Cain(1): Nero Cain
Eyes without a face (1): Cape90
April Ludgate (1): Save The Dragons

Not Voting (5): Scorpious, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

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I beleive I saw this VC and assumed that General didn't gain majority, dude gained majority really fast and 2 people got off Yeet
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Post Post #2758 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:14 am

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In post 2739, Yeet wrote:
In post 2734, fireisredsir wrote:i genuinely think that town overall is being towny here to the point where scum is running out of places to push, and i think a few people have expressed that sentiment lately and i expect at least one of them to be scum just being honest
Who else has expressed that sentiment and why are you singling me out?
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Post Post #2759 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:15 am

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In post 2758, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 2739, Yeet wrote:
In post 2734, fireisredsir wrote:i genuinely think that town overall is being towny here to the point where scum is running out of places to push, and i think a few people have expressed that sentiment lately and i expect at least one of them to be scum just being honest
Who else has expressed that sentiment and why are you singling me out?
tene in . i already think he's scum. p sure someone else did but i forgot who and can't find it now. i asked you bc i do not townread VP in the cape exchange and thought that maybe you do for a reason
"Town is playing townlike" and "I'm not sure who is scum" aren't the same thing.
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Post Post #2760 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:16 am

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I mean, ok look, finding scum that are using their words and actually have a thread presence can be hard, especially for a non Mith tier player like myself. I mean, I have played a number of games where scum just does...like literally nothing the whole game and while its mathmaticly impossible for scum to be just eyes/scorp...i think eyes could just very well be scum.

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Post Post #2761 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:16 am

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In post 2758, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 2739, Yeet wrote:
In post 2734, fireisredsir wrote:i genuinely think that town overall is being towny here to the point where scum is running out of places to push, and i think a few people have expressed that sentiment lately and i expect at least one of them to be scum just being honest
Who else has expressed that sentiment and why are you singling me out?
tene in . i already think he's scum. p sure someone else did but i forgot who and can't find it now. i asked you bc i do not townread VP in the cape exchange and thought that maybe you do for a reason
Tene wagon?
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Post Post #2762 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:17 am

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In post 2760, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, ok look, finding scum that are using their words and actually have a thread presence can be hard, especially for a non Mith tier player like myself. I mean, I have played a number of games where scum just does...like literally nothing the whole game and while its mathmaticly impossible for scum to be just eyes/scorp...i think eyes could just very well be scum.

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Post Post #2763 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:17 am

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In post 2760, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, ok look, finding scum that are using their words and actually have a thread presence can be hard, especially for a non Mith tier player like myself. I mean, I have played a number of games where scum just does...like literally nothing the whole game and while its mathmaticly impossible for scum to be just eyes/scorp...i think eyes could just very well be scum.

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Really? You finally get traction on your push against VP and promptly abandon it? Again?
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Post Post #2764 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:17 am

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In post 2569, skitter30 wrote:@frof i like fire because they're making good, cogent points abt the game in a pique-ish manner that wont endear them to anybody. They're trying to solve but arent trying to end up on anyone's 'good' list
Really? I mean, I don't think fire is super scummy, but I don't see fire as being particularly prickly either.

While I have you, who were you scumreading coming into today before this whole fua fight? Setting fua aside, who is scum on the Wu wagon?
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Post Post #2765 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:17 am

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In post 2569, skitter30 wrote:@frof i like fire because they're making good, cogent points abt the game in a pique-ish manner that wont endear them to anybody. They're trying to solve but arent trying to end up on anyone's 'good' list
Really? I mean, I don't think fire is super scummy, but I don't see fire as being particularly prickly either.

While I have you, who were you scumreading coming into today before this whole fua fight? Setting fua aside, who is scum on the Wu wagon?
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Post Post #2766 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:18 am

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In post 2751, MalcolmTucker wrote:Apologies for the big quotes, but I'm really interested in how the Datisi heat suddenly died off after a while. Like, there's obviously some confirmed town in here, but I always felt like the Datisi heat was pretty poorly constructed and didn't work. Increasingly I'm wondering if there's some solid logic here in the idea that some mafia themselves started to realise it was a rubbish wagon and directed their attentions elsewhere before it got them into more trouble.
experienced scum probably would know that a datisi lim day 1 in a game this large isn't likely to work. but tene probably wouldn't know that

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Post Post #2767 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:19 am

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In post 2761, MathBlade wrote:Tene wagon?
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Post Post #2768 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:19 am

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Post Post #2769 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:19 am

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In post 2703, Cape90 wrote:not sure how much playing of mafia since 2008 has helped him, like come on, I was a literal child back then
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Post Post #2770 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:20 am

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is there really traction on Vp aren't like 2 only voting there? and even if VP is scum there are 3 outside but im ok with voting a scummy annoying asetic.

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Post Post #2771 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:21 am

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hello ill be your VP of today, but instead of calling for wagons on wu and monkey who were both town, i will be calling for wagons on tene and VP who are both scum
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Post Post #2772 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:22 am

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In post 2757, Cape90 wrote:I beleive I saw this VC and assumed that General didn't gain majority, dude gained majority really fast and 2 people got off Yeet
EBWOP: 3 actually, FrogsterKing was the ONLY one that stayed, EoD VC is which really isn't that long of a time from the other VC I pulled up, like it really isn't

Datisi/VP/
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I find the other 2 here... interesting.
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Post Post #2773 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:22 am

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In post 2771, fireisredsir wrote:hello ill be your VP of today, but instead of calling for wagons on wu and monkey who were both town, i will be calling for wagons on tene and VP who are both scum
Not sold on VP.

Tene/Scorpio is a good start

Tene pushed a lurker but didn’t want my choice of lurker

Meaning if Tene is scum Scorpio probably is too
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Post Post #2774 (ISO) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:23 am

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In post 2766, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 2751, MalcolmTucker wrote:Apologies for the big quotes, but I'm really interested in how the Datisi heat suddenly died off after a while. Like, there's obviously some confirmed town in here, but I always felt like the Datisi heat was pretty poorly constructed and didn't work. Increasingly I'm wondering if there's some solid logic here in the idea that some mafia themselves started to realise it was a rubbish wagon and directed their attentions elsewhere before it got them into more trouble.
experienced scum probably would know that a datisi lim day 1 in a game this large isn't likely to work. but tene probably wouldn't know that

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Just because I have not played mafia here before does not mean I have not played mafia before. I can see that Datisi is charismatic and respected by some of the other players here. In this scenario, I would also have scum partners who could tell me such a thing. His posts simply became better, and that is why I dropped my suspicion. I believe even Datisi would agree that his posts became townier later in Day 1.
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