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[VP Baltar]

Datisi is pocketing me and it's working.

[MathBlade]

This is beside the point

It’s a long established standard to claim neg util at start

If you disagree it has no merits discussing here as VP is not being policy elimmed if scum

We’re trying to talk scorpio

[Datisi]

i would never!!!

[DeasVail]

I believe scum see me as a mislim they would like to achieve.

what makes you think this?

[DeasVail]

Cape your hammer is not NAI because there is obvious scum motivation to do it.

I'm interested in why you think this.

Why is it in scum's best interests to rush through a Wu elim rather than let the day bloat out longer?

[Nero Cain]

vp did claim in like his 10th post

[MathBlade]

Again we’re moving on. This discussion isn’t beneficial.

Talk about Scorpio or another scumread please

[Datisi]

okay, datisi brain time is over

wednesdays are hell for me, so i'll read d2 proper in the evening, try to not shit out 40 pages and/or kill someone by then pls k thx goodnight

[DeasVail]

It feels like at least one of VP and Yeet is scum in this interaction.

What does this mean? What gives you this feeling? It looks like you just saying something for the sake of saying it

[Scorpious]

I feel bad you used all that brain power.

I'm just a lowly VT that fell way behind and is half interested to read so much "content".

Go concern yourself with people that matter.

[DeasVail]

Not sold on VP.

im not either tbh but there's things that look scummy to me and i think it's a good wagon

I’d much prefer tene and Scorpio over VP.
VP’s play reminds me of the game I was recently with him. He was widely scumread but a PR. I think people perceive him as a viable target whatever his alignment. He could be scum but I trust HEM’s read of tene and Scorpio more.

hrmm, intereshting. i have not meta read VP yet maybe i should. i wouldn't have guessed that tho, if that's the case it makes me a little less interested. early on i had him read as strong poster relatively helpful townie, but some things made me start to not trust. if he often draws suspicion then... eh. could still be scum but im kinda less into it

monkey scumread tene tho? idr him talking about that in thread

He didn’t.

Let’s do Scorpio. Not as sold on tene anymore

VOTE: Scorpio

I think a Scorp vote is much less likely to hit scum than a tenebro one. I don't actually see how Scorp is scummy in any way

[MathBlade]

I feel bad you used all that brain power.

I'm just a lowly VT that fell way behind and is half interested to read so much "content".

Go concern yourself with people that matter.

I am concerned with someone who matters.

The VT claim when a wagon isn’t even hardly on you is sus.

[MathBlade]

Not sold on VP.

im not either tbh but there's things that look scummy to me and i think it's a good wagon

I’d much prefer tene and Scorpio over VP.
VP’s play reminds me of the game I was recently with him. He was widely scumread but a PR. I think people perceive him as a viable target whatever his alignment. He could be scum but I trust HEM’s read of tene and Scorpio more.

hrmm, intereshting. i have not meta read VP yet maybe i should. i wouldn't have guessed that tho, if that's the case it makes me a little less interested. early on i had him read as strong poster relatively helpful townie, but some things made me start to not trust. if he often draws suspicion then... eh. could still be scum but im kinda less into it

monkey scumread tene tho? idr him talking about that in thread

He didn’t.

Let’s do Scorpio. Not as sold on tene anymore

VOTE: Scorpio

I think a Scorp vote is much less likely to hit scum than a tenebro one. I don't actually see how Scorp is scummy in any way

Find me a read Scorpio has.

[Scorpious]

Not sold on VP.

im not either tbh but there's things that look scummy to me and i think it's a good wagon

I’d much prefer tene and Scorpio over VP.
VP’s play reminds me of the game I was recently with him. He was widely scumread but a PR. I think people perceive him as a viable target whatever his alignment. He could be scum but I trust HEM’s read of tene and Scorpio more.

hrmm, intereshting. i have not meta read VP yet maybe i should. i wouldn't have guessed that tho, if that's the case it makes me a little less interested. early on i had him read as strong poster relatively helpful townie, but some things made me start to not trust. if he often draws suspicion then... eh. could still be scum but im kinda less into it

monkey scumread tene tho? idr him talking about that in thread

He didn’t.

Let’s do Scorpio. Not as sold on tene anymore

VOTE: Scorpio

I think a Scorp vote is much less likely to hit scum than a tenebro one. I don't actually see how Scorp is scummy in any way

Find me a read Scorpio has.

There aren’t any

[Save The Dragons]

i don't really understand the resistance to a scorpious wagon

if town that's pressure into giving content
if scum that's pressure into making a mistake

so pressure ultimately helps us

and it's not like they've gone and done anything particularly townie

[DeasVail]

I want them to feel some pressure to contribute and I want to know why others are focusing on the other lurkers instead. I didn't think it was very likely my vote would result in an elim.

You did not demonstrate much effort into putting pressure on Save The Dragons to contribute

[VP Baltar]

There aren’t any

Why did you vote me then?

[DeasVail]

Not sold on VP.

im not either tbh but there's things that look scummy to me and i think it's a good wagon

I’d much prefer tene and Scorpio over VP.
VP’s play reminds me of the game I was recently with him. He was widely scumread but a PR. I think people perceive him as a viable target whatever his alignment. He could be scum but I trust HEM’s read of tene and Scorpio more.

hrmm, intereshting. i have not meta read VP yet maybe i should. i wouldn't have guessed that tho, if that's the case it makes me a little less interested. early on i had him read as strong poster relatively helpful townie, but some things made me start to not trust. if he often draws suspicion then... eh. could still be scum but im kinda less into it

monkey scumread tene tho? idr him talking about that in thread

He didn’t.

Let’s do Scorpio. Not as sold on tene anymore

VOTE: Scorpio

I think a Scorp vote is much less likely to hit scum than a tenebro one. I don't actually see how Scorp is scummy in any way

Find me a read Scorpio has.

I don't find this to be a convincing point

[MathBlade]

Not sold on VP.

im not either tbh but there's things that look scummy to me and i think it's a good wagon

I’d much prefer tene and Scorpio over VP.
VP’s play reminds me of the game I was recently with him. He was widely scumread but a PR. I think people perceive him as a viable target whatever his alignment. He could be scum but I trust HEM’s read of tene and Scorpio more.

hrmm, intereshting. i have not meta read VP yet maybe i should. i wouldn't have guessed that tho, if that's the case it makes me a little less interested. early on i had him read as strong poster relatively helpful townie, but some things made me start to not trust. if he often draws suspicion then... eh. could still be scum but im kinda less into it

monkey scumread tene tho? idr him talking about that in thread

He didn’t.

Let’s do Scorpio. Not as sold on tene anymore

VOTE: Scorpio

I think a Scorp vote is much less likely to hit scum than a tenebro one. I don't actually see how Scorp is scummy in any way

Find me a read Scorpio has.

I don't find this to be a convincing point

If someone can’t find a single read in a game this size they aren’t trying.
If they aren’t trying to solve the game they’re more likely scum.

[tenebrousluminary]

Going for Scorp today is lazy. I think scum would love nothing more than for us to waste another day.

VOTE: VPB, but I think Yeet has an agenda today too.

Well, I am actually scumhunting and asking questions to determine people's alignments. Big agenda energy.

What are you doing btw? Didn't you vote dragons? Is that fundamentally different from a Scorp wagon?

I do not understand why many players keep pretending that just because several players are lurking they are all identical. Dragons is most notably different because they were the only one of the three to vote GeneralWu. Additionally, I feel they are the most capable of giving more, they have the fewest posts and I have the least sense of who they are within the game.

Going for Scorp today is lazy. I think scum would love nothing more than for us to waste another day.

VOTE: VPB, but I think Yeet has an agenda today too.

Well, I am actually scumhunting and asking questions to determine people's alignments. Big agenda energy.

What are you doing btw?

Didn't you vote dragons? Is that fundamentally different from a Scorp wagon?

Agree with you on this. Fine with tenebros sitting a vote on STD now to put on some pressure, but it's ultimately going for an incredibly low activity poster and the moment you vote for someone you ideally want to convince others to do the same. If not you aren't even putting any pressure on said player. Weird contradiction in tenebros' play.

I do not really have an explanation you will find convincing for this. I like to put my vote where I am thinking. I will call for others to join me if and when my certainty level grows high.

I believe scum see me as a mislim they would like to achieve.

what makes you think this?

Nearly everyone suspects me to some degree or another, but so far I have produced town-indicative content in response to votes against me. I believe that this suspicion persisting in light of the fact I am scumhunting actively and unafraid to take stances indicates something. I believe that I am seen as weak and eventually pushable because I am newer.

It feels like at least one of VP and Yeet is scum in this interaction.

What does this mean? What gives you this feeling? It looks like you just saying something for the sake of saying it

It means I suspect both of them but am not cocky enough to think I have both right, and also that I feel Yeet doing what is effectively defending VP might be too blatant for a partner.

[MathBlade]

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Std is now contributing

[DeasVail]

Nero pushed me to talk about reads. I told him I'm not doing that in a hood with a potential scum

seems like a cop out

actually on that train of thought

do you think vp has been quiet on his reads? if not, then this shade feels... misplaced

not particularly, at the time where i quoted it it felt like a weird way of throwing shade on Nero for something that honestly seemed quite reasonable to me, as well as excessive focus on the "purge the neighbourhood scum!!!" mindset.

I believe there have been more votes/suspicion on VP since then. I'm in a similar position to fireisred in that I think it's a good wagon but am more suspicious of tenebro.

PEdit: @MathBlade I am more suspicious of someone likely to be making up reads based on what the town is thinking (tenebro) than someone not even trying to make up reads (Scorp)

[tenebrousluminary]

Dragons is most notably different because they were the only one of the three to vote GeneralWu. Additionally, I feel they are the most capable of giving more, they have the fewest posts and I have the least sense of who they are within the game.

Also, I have felt at times that Dragons has in fact read the game. Scorp isn't doing anything because they have not read the game. What's Dragons' excuse?

[Save The Dragons]

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Std is now contributing

tbf i was going to do it anyway

[Save The Dragons]

Dragons is most notably different because they were the only one of the three to vote GeneralWu. Additionally, I feel they are the most capable of giving more, they have the fewest posts and I have the least sense of who they are within the game.

Also, I have felt at times that Dragons has in fact read the game. Scorp isn't doing anything because they have not read the game. What's Dragons' excuse?

read my posts i've been giving reads and shit