Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[Lukewarm]

So basically:
Is she Scum, who is defensive and just trying to avoid being eliminated - but then named a list of names that never saves her?
Or is she town, who is defensive and demotivated - and named a list of names of the people she is actually suspicious of?

[furtiveglance]

If town, engage with the whole player list please

[marcistar]

marci
you haven't said a word about Somnus yet
now would be a good time

oh my bad i thought i already mentioned it but apparently not.. i think their townie.

They have nothing else to say about the game. I would prefer PPP probably but I'm optimistic that Marcistar is mafia

Nah I have more I could say, yall just aint ready for that conversation

The game has gone a bit stale and I want to jumpstart it

Spoiler: so then where do these tie in to this current thought of yours?

Scum can be found day 1 but it's not as likely. Scum will likely be quite careful on day 1, and are less likely to be collectively scumread since mafia make up 2 (usually active) players in the town.

And yeah of course I want to win. It's just that a popular wagon is likely town, especially if the reasoning behind the suspicion is the suspected person's individual awkwardness/stubbornness/lack of adequate blending. I will try to look out for those kind of players being miscondemned

What do you notice? To me it was

saying I was mafia

(no) and

two of my townreads are mafia

(I don't think so)

You literally said I could scumread you, cant be pressed about it when u gave me permission to speak my mind

Who am i meant to scumread then??? myself???? you just aint ready for ppl with diff opinions from u

because I wanted to see if she shifted focus to one of the other players given a little bit of time, but thats not a thing that can happen any more.

I was gonna tbhs but, like, yknow? I think at best people are too quick to townread Ailianna.

[furtiveglance]

Ok fair enough Marcistar. I haven't written you off but I'm sure you can understand that I don't like you not giving full reads on the whole player list.

[marcistar]

honestly it wouldve been mostly "idk i think they could be either alignment " and giving a readslist for it to mostly be that im not aboutta do

[TTTT]

Intent to hammer Marcistar

not yet
I don't even want a claim from marci yet
UNVOTE:

[TTTT]

marci
you haven't said a word about Somnus yet
now would be a good time

oh my bad i thought i already mentioned it but apparently not.. i think their townie.

can you give me some reasons why?

[TTTT]

So basically:
Is she Scum, who is defensive and just trying to avoid being eliminated - but then named a list of names that never saves her?
Or is she town, who is defensive and demotivated - and named a list of names of the people she is actually suspicious of?

I really don't like this Luke
we wanted and were promised your read on marci once she got active
but this is looking like you are trying to save her without actually going out on a limb trying to save her
it would be suprememely helpful to have your read on her play so far, based on your experience with her
yes I know I spelled that wrong it was for increased emphaphasis

[TTTT]

Luke
to get you jumpstarted here are some questions:
1) as town does marci usually take this long to develop actual reads?
2) as town does marci ignore pressure?
3) as town does marci often have reads outside the mainstream of the other players?

[TTTT]

honestly it wouldve been mostly "idk i think they could be either alignment " and giving a readslist for it to mostly be that im not aboutta do

nah
you said you have three scumreads or at least scumleans...

Marci who is the most sus rn?
Feel free to say me

yes you

aliana or mr turtle as well

and you've said Somnus is townie...

marci
you haven't said a word about Somnus yet
now would be a good time

oh my bad i thought i already mentioned it but apparently not.. i think their townie.

BigTerp is townie too apparently...

no, r u?

??

what about it

You were directly asked if you were town. Your response was "no, r u?" Please explain.

I think you might be town B)

so you have five reads out of eight players which means your readlist is something like this?

TOWN
Somnus
BigTerp

NULL
Lukewarm
TTTT
PPP

SCUM
Turtle
Alianna
furtive

[TTTT]

my problem is that you have said these things when you do have reads

I don't think its useful to make a whole readslist thats just 90% "hehe idk they could be either alignment!!"

honestly it wouldve been mostly "idk i think they could be either alignment " and giving a readslist for it to mostly be that im not aboutta do

[TTTT]

@marci
is 2061 your only Newbie scumgame?

[Lukewarm]

So basically:
Is she Scum, who is defensive and just trying to avoid being eliminated - but then named a list of names that never saves her?
Or is she town, who is defensive and demotivated - and named a list of names of the people she is actually suspicious of?

I really don't like this Luke
we wanted and were promised your read on marci once she got active
but this is looking like you are trying to save her without actually going out on a limb trying to save her
it would be suprememely helpful to have your read on her play so far, based on your experience with her
yes I know I spelled that wrong it was for increased emphaphasis

Luke
to get you jumpstarted here are some questions:
1) as town does marci usually take this long to develop actual reads?
2) as town does marci ignore pressure?
3) as town does marci often have reads outside the mainstream of the other players?

It is hard to come out and case my nullest read in the game. But she is the one sitting at e-1, so here we are. I can see glimmers of town, like I mentioned wrt to her scum list, but it would not blow my mind if she flipped scum.

Yes, I am hedgely, and sorry about that. But I just don't have a strong read on every player in the game. Some people land in null /unsure.

To answer your question

1) Yes. She holds off before she commits to a vote in almost every game I have been in with her, unless something really pinged her early.

2) I am not sure how you are defining "ignoring pressure."

3) Sure?

But, I think the important part of these questions was: yes, I have seen Marci play fairly similar to this as town and get miselimed for it. If she is busy irl, she can get disconnected from games, and if she gets a lot of pressure she can get demotivated.

Best example off the top of my head was SirCakez Divide and Conquer game, where I feel like she got a lot of flack for basically the same reasons she is here.

So, I can see this coming from town Marci - but I don't think it automatically makes her town either.

I am sitting about as on the fence with this read as is physically possible. Which probably is not super helpful. But, I would rather kill Somnus over Marci here. After the last page or so from Furtive, I would actually rather kill Furtive over Marci here as well.

[Lukewarm]

@marci
is 2061 your only Newbie scumgame?

I played against scum Marci in another newbie game, so I know she has another. I can see if I can find it.

[Lukewarm]

Best example off the top of my head was SirCakez Divide and Conquer game, where I feel like she got a lot of flack for basically the same reasons she is here.

Here are some quotes from town Marci, on Day 3, just before she is miseliminated that game

Spoiler:

Subject: Micro 1010: Divide and Conquer: Round 2 - Game Over!

you haven't exactly been a model of certainty yourself

yes ik i wish i was more confident

Subject: Micro 1010: Divide and Conquer: Round 2 - Game Over!

are you saying you played similar to your last scum game then? why would you do that as town?

i think its pretty similar, tho it wasnt intentional.. if the shoe fits the shoe fits yknow?

Why do you think you've played the same as last game?
Because that wasn't really the impression I was getting from people from that game

the biggest similarity i think is that i dont have good reads that im confident in

She is being called out for uncertainty, not committing to reads, ect

And she just goes :shrug: sorry I don't have reads I'm confident in, and then obviously that did not sway the other players, and so she dies.

[TTTT]

you two played as a hydra in a game that ended barely a month ago
so that's one reason I don't love the mutual null reads

[TTTT]

do you know each other IRL?

[Lukewarm]

Here is the other newbie game

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87122

[Lukewarm]

do you know each other IRL?

We met on Mafiascum, but we have sense added each other on Discord and talk semi-regularly.

So, I am friends with Marci, but never met irl.

[Lukewarm]

you two played as a hydra in a game that ended barely a month ago
so that's one reason I don't love the mutual null reads

I have played a lot of games with Marci, and I have a pretty mixed bag on reading her.

--Correct Reads--

Divide and Conquer game I just linked, I was sure she was town and was defending her all the way to the point she got miselimed despite my efforts.

Our Isekai uPick game, I was sure she was scum and pushed her hard even when other people thought she was town.

--Incorrect Reads--

Our Shakespeare uPick game I was banging pots and pans together trying to get her eliminated, but she was town

The newbie game you linked, I defended her all the way up to MeLo - and only won because I finally decided to just sheep the other confirmed town

--No Reads--
The newbie game I mentioned just now, she was in my null reads to slight town leaning with reservations, for basically the whole game

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Sorry if you expected me to have some reliable tell to read her on in games, but I don't. The one exception being her early real time interactions can sometimes be a bit weak when she is scum, but I did not get any of those from her this game to look at, so not helpful

[Lukewarm]

@marci
is 2061 your only Newbie scumgame?

you two played as a hydra in a game that ended barely a month ago
so that's one reason I don't love the mutual null reads

I am ready to town lock TTTT all the way to Elo (where obviously he should be reconsidered if he is alive at that point) for this.

I never see this much meta work from Scum unless they are desperate. There is no reason for Scum TTTT to be digging through Marci's past scum games here, or whatever he did to find our hydra game either.

[PlmPestPlaY]

Town: Lukewarm, TTTT.
furtiveglance should replace TTTT's vote on marcistar.

[Frozen Angel]

Searching for a replacement for Alianna.

[Somnus]

May I ask, am I the only one who has a hard time understanding PPP's posts? They're worded very confusingly and I don't really know what to make of it.

There's just two that I had a hard time understanding. Pimpest and I had a brief dialogue about 332 but it quickly dissolved (was late at night). I took a look at it later on with a fresh set of eyes and still didn't entirely understand it, but it's kind of whatever. 378 pinged me a lot harder. I'll get to that in a bit.

[Somnus]

Waw. It appears to be true, at least for this type of setup. Given what I've learned, I am now a lot less interested in the game for some reason. Sooo eeeh double wappa? VOTE: Somnus

Ok. So there's 2 I didn't understand, but there's a couple other ones that I have questions about. Surely you knew that in mafia, people get voted off, correct? I'm not being sarcastic when I ask that, so please don't take my question as me being snide because I promise you I'm being serious. I've never played on Epic Mafia, but is it so fundamentally different from forum mafia that you didn't know the goal that we're working towards? What changed to make you less interested in the game pertaining to the setup? Help me understand.