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[VP Baltar]

Yeah I hate the sudden flurry with no case.

Which of the votes do you question?

Malcom, can you link the game you're referring to?

[MathBlade]

Yeah I hate the sudden flurry with no case.

Which of the votes do you question?

Malcom, can you link the game you're referring to?

All of them

[MalcolmTucker]

Yeah I hate the sudden flurry with no case.

Which of the votes do you question?

Malcom, can you link the game you're referring to?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88932

Here you go. As I say only time we've played together and their approach was basically identical to this early on. They got a stronger read towards the end of the game though so not a completely neutral approach, but a lot of kinda softball questions and stuff like that.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah I hate the sudden flurry with no case.

Which of the votes do you question?

Malcom, can you link the game you're referring to?

All of them

[MalcolmTucker]

I don’t Have a strong opinion on tenebro. Could be frustrated Town or AtE scum. I could see either. If I had to pick maybe slightly lean town because it’s a sort of believable frustration.

You two could easily be teammates and this does nothing to dissuade me of that. You're understandably not jumping onto the wagon but town hinting anyway while not making a particularly strong defence that openly shows you off as partners.

[MalcolmTucker]

I'm starting to read go over some of the sections. Can someone explain to me why MathBlade even claimed both of you guys as Mason to begin with? You two weren't even like that high at that point...

Like what was the point? There was plenty of room to start talking yourselves out of the wagon. Instead MathBlade just decided with like half the required votes on you guys not even halfway into D1 to just throw out the mason bomb immediately.

What is the point of interrogating this? It was probably suboptimal but we cannot exactly undo it now.

These pages have damaged my yeet read successfully but not enough to vote them. I am unsure what case there is against skitter apart from comparisons to other games which I do not really care about.

Looking through the game, this is about as strong as any disagreements get between Yeet/tenebros for the most part. Don't think it's quite enough to rule them out as potential partners.

[Yeet]

It’s weird that there’s an implicit expectation that somehow that post was supposed to change your mind on us being partners. Why did you frame it that way?

[VP Baltar]

Yeah I hate the sudden flurry with no case.

Which of the votes do you question?

Malcom, can you link the game you're referring to?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88932

Here you go. As I say only time we've played together and their approach was basically identical to this early on. They got a stronger read towards the end of the game though so not a completely neutral approach, but a lot of kinda softball questions and stuff like that.

Is that the same though? This game he pushed Yeet almost all of D1 out of an RVS vote, and then followed tenebros onto fua/enchant (which I would assume you'd find interesting)

In the game you linked he pushed Galron semi-aggressively early on, and had some tinfoil things like voting Not Mafia. He definitely has some softballs that game too, but I'm not certain it is analogous. Compare the ISOs directly

[MalcolmTucker]

It’s weird that there’s an implicit expectation that somehow that post was supposed to change your mind on us being partners. Why did you frame it that way?

I'm not quite sure what you mean here? I'm pointing out the two of you have generally been pretty chill with each other most of the game and this is the only occasion where things start to get a bit heated. But it never really lasted and arguably seems quite artificial.

[MalcolmTucker]

Yeah I hate the sudden flurry with no case.

Which of the votes do you question?

Malcom, can you link the game you're referring to?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88932

Here you go. As I say only time we've played together and their approach was basically identical to this early on. They got a stronger read towards the end of the game though so not a completely neutral approach, but a lot of kinda softball questions and stuff like that.

Is that the same though? This game he pushed Yeet almost all of D1 out of an RVS vote, and then followed tenebros onto fua/enchant (which I would assume you'd find interesting)

In the game you linked he pushed Galron semi-aggressively early on, and had some tinfoil things like voting Not Mafia. He definitely has some softballs that game too, but I'm not certain it is analogous. Compare the ISOs directly

Not necessarily identical but more just the general posting style seems similar. Frogster's definitely been less engaged this game I'd say but a lot of the softball questions and the like which helped sparked sudden interest in them don't feel out of character.

[Yeet]

I don’t Have a strong opinion on tenebro. Could be frustrated Town or AtE scum. I could see either. If I had to pick maybe slightly lean town because it’s a sort of believable frustration.

You two could easily be teammates and this does nothing to dissuade me of that. You're understandably not jumping onto the wagon but town hinting anyway while not making a particularly strong defence that openly shows you off as partners.

Uh I’m referring to this post haha.

[Yeet]

Actually, I’m not sure I love this wagon anymore? I think I’ll stick around a bit just to see what happens.

[VP Baltar]

Not necessarily identical but more just the general posting style seems similar. Frogster's definitely been less engaged this game I'd say but a lot of the softball questions and the like which helped sparked sudden interest in them don't feel out of character.

The not really voting is the more concerning (though related) part. He isn't trying to do stuff, which seems atypical from what I just saw from frogger

[VP Baltar]

Actually, I’m not sure I love this wagon anymore? I think I’ll stick around a bit just to see what happens.

What changed from 15 mins ago?

[MathBlade]

Actually, I’m not sure I love this wagon anymore? I think I’ll stick around a bit just to see what happens.

What are your scumreads?

[Yeet]

Re skim of ISO, weird naked adamance in pushing me
Skimming Malcolm’s provided ISO
Math’s adamance against the wagon

Enough to make me think it’s certainly possible this is town!Frogster.

[Yeet]

I’m having trouble finding scumreads this game. That’s why I’m poking and prodding around.

[Yeet]

Phone dropping my current reads before I sleep for reference:

Math
skitter Datisi Baltar Nero cape deasvail enchant - feel decent about these being town for now
Scorpious - ??
fire April tenebro eyes Malcolm frog std - would guess most scum are here

Here is where I was at last night, for reference.

[MalcolmTucker]

I’m having trouble finding scumreads this game. That’s why I’m poking and prodding around.

Well yeah but then you were filled with certainty on day one with little info to go on. What's changed?

[Yeet]

More info to go on. I change my reads based on new information. Primarily it has been reasons to think people were town I previously thought were scum.

[Yeet]

Should I be townreading you, Malcolm? I noticed quite a few others think you are townie however it is hard for me to read you as such. I can’t find any reasons to scumread you either, you’re just very null all around to me.

[Nero Cain]

i mean the 3 back to back votes do look p forced

[Yeet]

Actually maybe that’s not quite accurate. In general I am more of a townhunter and I don’t get scumpings that often. So it’s more of people going from null to town for me rather than scum to town (like Datisi skitter and fua are the 3 I can think of that went scum to town for me).

[Frogsterking]

Luminary are you pushing Malcolm now, what is happening?

I will say, Frogster's aloofness in this game is very different from his town play in the last game.

What's up with that Frog? You've seemed not super engaged with the flow of the game for awhile now.

I've gotten this feedback many times before in games or social situations after the size of the group is increased. I'm experiencing heightened feelings of vulnerability in this game so far compared to other games because of the high speed and large player count. It's observant of you but NAI and possibly scum motivated to push.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: tenebro