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[MalcolmTucker]

More info to go on. I change my reads based on new information. Primarily it has been reasons to think people were town I previously thought were scum.

But having more info to go on also should make it easier to SR other people no? Like I'm baffled how a few select posts early on had you reaching immediate conclusions, whereas now with thousands of posts you say you're struggling to have any conclusive thoughts.

If you are mafia then I suppose there's a logic where you go in early with lots of reads because it's fundamentally hard for anyone to prove them - part of the early game is throwing around shit and seeing what sticks and provoking people into interesting responses, but if you're mafia it's arguably more difficult to feign interest in someone because they have more evidence with which to mount a defence. But such an approach would still allow you to build a reputation as an engaged player with "reads" instead of someone sitting back and not saying as much.

[VP Baltar]

Re skim of ISO, weird naked adamance in pushing me
Skimming Malcolm’s provided ISO
Math’s adamance against the wagon

Enough to make me think it’s certainly possible this is town!Frogster.

These are terrible reasons to lose spine on a wagon, and especially to townread frogster

[VP Baltar]

I've gotten this feedback many times before in games or social situations after the size of the group is increased. I'm experiencing heightened feelings of vulnerability in this game so far compared to other games because of the high speed and large player count. It's observant of you but NAI and possibly scum motivated to push.

Do you have meta that backs this up?

[fireisredsir]

Do I give you a similar impression, fire?

yeet was there a reason you asked this?

[Save The Dragons]

frogster pinged me in my catch up but i'm a little wary of the wagon so far

[MalcolmTucker]

Should I be townreading you, Malcolm? I noticed quite a few others think you are townie however it is hard for me to read you as such. I can’t find any reasons to scumread you either, you’re just very null all around to me.

I mean yes, you should be TR'ing me, but then I'm obviously going to say that irrespective of my alignment so this feels like a fluff question.

But I'd say my reads have been fairly consistent while being relaxed enough for me to change my mind and update my reads on new info which helps the town. Eg I town read you early on but your play since later in turn one has struck me as increasingly mafia. I pushed tenebros early on, got more of a town vibe, and now get a mafia vibe again. I'm trying to back up any assertions I have with proper evidence and I don't think I've been agenda-driven in a way mafia might be.

[MalcolmTucker]

Do I give you a similar impression, fire?

yeet was there a reason you asked this?

It's also interesting that Yeet comments on your post without a question instead of giving any info to the town as to how they feel about tenebros as a result of your read. It's cagey.

[VP Baltar]

frogster pinged me in my catch up but i'm a little wary of the wagon so far

Why?

[Save The Dragons]

why'd he ping or why i'm wary of the wagon

[MalcolmTucker]

I suspect that Frogsterking is aligned with the town.

VOTE: Datisi

I feel jittery about this slot’s opening posts.

VOTE: Datisi

I feel jittery about this slot’s opening posts.

good vote

what gives you the jitters?

Now I think you are scum subliminally signaling to me that I have, in fact, made a good vote.

You are not helping your case, scumDatisi.

Frogsterking is confirmed town to me. I will not accept any vote on Frogsterking.

On the other hand, Datisi is most likely scum this game.

VOTE: Datisi

Post 39 feels unnatural to me.

Frogsterking, you may need to do some research on what to expect from this game.

I also don’t like 39. I don’t like the way Datisi is engaging the thread.

I also wouldn’t mind getting Datisi hammered soon.

I can guarantee at least one scum has posted.

Save the Dragons is also town.

If I am wrong on Datisi, then skitter30 is scum.

Datisi’s responses do not ease my anxiety about his alignment.

After readinf 71 multiple times, i actually dont think i got any clarity from it >.>

Why is it more believeable that me/dats would townbin you than for yeet to do the same thing?

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Nai = non alignment indicative

In other words i'm saying what dats has done thus far is neither townie nor scummy for him

skitter30, I don’t believe you are being consistent in your explanation.

I don’t believe that you would say that you’re not sure why people think Datisi is scum when you know exactly how he plays and believe this to be his town self.

You are assuming that we know him implicitly there. We do not know Datisi, so why would you expect us to have the same opinion on him with your knowledge?

You would’ve simply said that Datisi’s posts are “NAI”, without the part where you’re “not sure why people dislike him”.

It doesn’t make sense, it’s not a real read, and your approach to this whole thing feels like it’s not coming from a genuine solving headspace - rather it was feeble attempt to provide content and you felt the urge to white knight him.

Vote: skitter30

Like can anyone read these posts and tell me they even slightly resemble the Yeet we're seeing now? Within just over 100 posts they:

- Make at least two hard scum reads.
- Make two strong TR's.
- Say they want a player hammered soon.
- 'Guarantee' mafia has posted.

None of this squares up with a player who now - over 300 posts into the game - is flip-flopping regularly and admits they don't have any particularly strong mafia reads. It's like a different player. But there is surely no reason for Yeet to deliberately alter their approach to the game as a townie.

[MalcolmTucker]

Again I find this early Datisi wagon really interesting, especially given the possibility of tenebros/Yeet as teammates.

Both push early on without much of a case, especially Yeet who basically thinks they've caught mafia about 60 posts into the game.

But the case against Datisi was never coherent or all that good. Is it possible someone in a mafia thread realised this and told them to chill a bit? The argument, from tenebros at least, is that Datisi's posting improved but I still don't see what they did which was all that wrong in the first place anyway.

[Save The Dragons]

frogster pinged me in my catch up but i'm a little wary of the wagon so far

Why?

i guess my best answer to both is i'm concerned more about yeet than i am about frogs at this point

[MalcolmTucker]

Re 3236 - that should say over 3k posts into the game, not 300, obviously.

[Yeet]

More info to go on. I change my reads based on new information. Primarily it has been reasons to think people were town I previously thought were scum.

But having more info to go on also should make it easier to SR other people no? Like I'm baffled how a few select posts early on had you reaching immediate conclusions, whereas now with thousands of posts you say you're struggling to have any conclusive thoughts.

If you are mafia then I suppose there's a logic where you go in early with lots of reads because it's fundamentally hard for anyone to prove them - part of the early game is throwing around shit and seeing what sticks and provoking people into interesting responses, but if you're mafia it's arguably more difficult to feign interest in someone because they have more evidence with which to mount a defence. But such an approach would still allow you to build a reputation as an engaged player with "reads" instead of someone sitting back and not saying as much.

This scum narrative seems like a big stretch. I think you are severely fitting reasons to your read at this point. I’m not really struggling to have reads, I just have more townreads than before. Like I said I’m more of a townhunter.

It’s not a fluff question - not everyone as town thinks they should be townread given their play and scum will sometimes give dumb fake reasons

Should I be townreading you, Malcolm? I noticed quite a few others think you are townie however it is hard for me to read you as such. I can’t find any reasons to scumread you either, you’re just very null all around to me.

I mean yes, you should be TR'ing me, but then I'm obviously going to say that irrespective of my alignment so this feels like a fluff question.

But I'd say my reads have been fairly consistent while being relaxed enough for me to change my mind and update my reads on new info which helps the town. Eg I town read you early on but your play since later in turn one has struck me as increasingly mafia. I pushed tenebros early on, got more of a town vibe, and now get a mafia vibe again. I'm trying to back up any assertions I have with proper evidence and I don't think I've been agenda-driven in a way mafia might be.

[VP Baltar]

why'd he ping or why i'm wary of the wagon

Wary of the wagon. I get not liking Yeet's waffling, but I think what I'm picking up on here is real.

[Yeet]

frogster pinged me in my catch up but i'm a little wary of the wagon so far

Why?

i guess my best answer to both is i'm concerned more about yeet than i am about frogs at this point

Why?

[VP Baltar]

frogster pinged me in my catch up but i'm a little wary of the wagon so far

Why?

i guess my best answer to both is i'm concerned more about yeet than i am about frogs at this point

Ok, fair

[Yeet]

That was early game with little to go on so it’s good to poke things aggressively to get things moving. The gamestate has matured.

[Yeet]

Hammering Datisi soon was sort of a joke.

[fireisredsir]

but I think what I'm picking up on here is real.

is this your strongest scumread at the moment? what other scumreads do you have?

[Yeet]

Re skim of ISO, weird naked adamance in pushing me
Skimming Malcolm’s provided ISO
Math’s adamance against the wagon

Enough to make me think it’s certainly possible this is town!Frogster.

These are terrible reasons to lose spine on a wagon, and especially to townread frogster

I don’t know how you can call them terrible if I didn’t even go into detail of them. Which I don’t really feel like doing now before Frogster comes and posts more?

“I reskimmed their ISO and reevaluated them, read an example of their townplay”, these are bad reasons but themselves?

[Yeet]

Do I give you a similar impression, fire?

yeet was there a reason you asked this?

I thought that your accusation of tenebro sort of applied to me too with how people have been treating me in this gamestate. It made me wonder why you were singling him out/if you felt the way others do about me.

[VP Baltar]

but I think what I'm picking up on here is real.

is this your strongest scumread at the moment? what other scumreads do you have?

I still want to yeet the fuck out of cape, but that was going nowhere. People are willing to give him a pass today even though he is doing nothing and had a very questionable hammer yesterday, as I've explained.

If I was going to compromise on something, I might be willing to back a tenebros wagon, but I go back and forth there.

[Save The Dragons]

frogster pinged me in my catch up but i'm a little wary of the wagon so far

Why?

i guess my best answer to both is i'm concerned more about yeet than i am about frogs at this point

Why?

you seemed pretty townie d1 but haven't given off that vibe d2 with pushes on cape and malcolm, both of whom i think have been somewhat town.

targeting cape for the hammer vote seems like you were trying to stir shit up, and i'm not quite sure why you voted for malcolm.

[VP Baltar]

“I reskimmed their ISO and reevaluated them, read an example of their townplay”, these are bad reasons but themselves?

I looked at his iso here, the game Malcom linked, and the recent game I played with frog. It's not a convincing point that he is town.