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[Stephen A Smith]

ok i found the quote:


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13219137

[Stephen A Smith]

"btw if andante flips scum -> everyone she has pushed is pretty much conftown.


she is an avid antibusser till the very end unless she absolutely needs to.

like stubbornly so."

From Koba about Andante

and Koba has a shitload of experience with Andante

[Dwlee99]

Yes and that is part of why I scumread Andante, she didn't push any of the flipped scum lol

[Dwlee99]

Like I had that exact Koba quote in mind thinking of her being scum

[Stephen A Smith]

Like proposition: at least one of Hockey and I is town that vehemently believe the other is town as well. Now is it more likely one of us is completely snowing the other or that we are both town?

also if you're scum you kind of have to defend hockey from me because you know if i kill hockey!town i come for you tomm and its awkward for you tomm

as long as you keep hockey alive i can't really tunnel you directly

also hockey is kind of convinced of you being town so why wouldnt you keep him alive if you're scum?

if anything its mad weird you are this convinced hockey is town because i dont see anything very clearing in hockey's iso.

[Stephen A Smith]

Yes and that is part of why I scumread Andante, she didn't push any of the flipped scum lol

she voted for them didnt she

[Stephen A Smith]

Like I had that exact Koba quote in mind thinking of her being scum

wut you didnt even play this game

[Stephen A Smith]

i guess koba says that in every game

[Dwlee99]

Like proposition: at least one of Hockey and I is town that vehemently believe the other is town as well. Now is it more likely one of us is completely snowing the other or that we are both town?

also if you're scum you kind of have to defend hockey from me because you know if i kill hockey!town i come for you tomm and its awkward for you tomm

as long as you keep hockey alive i can't really tunnel you directly

also hockey is kind of convinced of you being town so why wouldnt you keep him alive if you're scum?

if anything its mad weird you are this convinced hockey is town because i dont see anything very clearing in hockey's iso.

If I were scum you'd probably be dead last night. But regardless, the angle I'm taking re: hockey could make sense from a scum perspective of wanting someone who townreads me alive/preventing limming in the PRs but it also makes sense from my perspective right now where I don't think 1-shot backup gunsmith makes any sense as a scum role.

Yes and that is part of why I scumread Andante, she didn't push any of the flipped scum lol

she voted for them didnt she

For like two seconds and then hopped off

Like I had that exact Koba quote in mind thinking of her being scum

wut you didnt even play this game

i guess koba says that in every game

I didn't click on your link tbh. Koba has said it multiple times though yea and even DM'd me once on discord like "btw if you ever play against andante <thing about bussing>"

[Stephen A Smith]

I don't think 1-shot backup gunsmith makes any sense as a scum role

ok if he's an investigated inno why is he still alive today over a claimed VT?

[Stephen A Smith]

For like two seconds and then hopped off

that's even worse than hard bussing

[Dwlee99]

vote count 2.05

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Eyes without a face [4]:

Dwlee99, fireisredsir, wavemode, the worst

Nero Cain [3]:

Stephen A Smith, Scorpious, Umlaut

Dwlee99 [2]:

HockeyFan, Eyes without a face

Scorpious [1]:

Nero Cain

Umlaut [1]:

Andante

not voting [0]:

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vote count 2.06

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Eyes without a face [4]:

Dwlee99, fireisredsir, the worst, Andante

Nero Cain [3]:

Stephen A Smith, Scorpious, Umlaut

Dwlee99 [2]:

HockeyFan, Eyes without a face

Scorpious [2]:

Nero Cain, wavemode

not voting [0]:

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vote count 2.07

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Nero Cain [5]:

Stephen A Smith, Scorpious, Umlaut, Andante, the worst

Scorpious [2]:

wavemode, HockeyFan

the worst [2]:

Eyes without a face, Nero Cain

Eyes without a face [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [1]:

fireisredsir

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vote count 2.08

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Nero Cain [3]:

Stephen A Smith, Andante, the worst

Scorpious [2]:

wavemode, HockeyFan

Andante [2]:

Nero Cain, Umlaut

the worst [2]:

Eyes without a face, Scorpious

Eyes without a face [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [1]:

fireisredsir

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actually maybe
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Votes kinda unrelated. In reaction to Nero's claim Andante was very like "lol you suck"

but she's also kinda disappeared this game day when not being poked directly

which like whatever but also I don't get the feeling she is even trying to find the last scum right now

[Stephen A Smith]

i dont think her disappearing is ai

[Stephen A Smith]

more likely she's just town and bored

[Dwlee99]

For like two seconds and then hopped off

that's even worse than hard bussing

But the no bussing meta is that Andante won't really push her buddies. Her being on Nero and then hopping off the moment it might go through doesn't break that for me, neither does her being nero/scorpious and then when I actually try to push scorpious to completion randomly going to Eyes.

[Stephen A Smith]

make your best town case for yourself and ill evaluate it in good faith i promise

[Dwlee99]

I'm scared that if we vote hockey and he flips town we're gonna lose either by you being alive and voting me or by you being night killed and then final scum being like "well look, stephen scumread Dwlee and is dead!" and I'll lose my bajillionth ELO 1v1 as town.

[Dwlee99]

make your best town case for yourself and ill evaluate it in good faith i promise

okay tonight.

Some bulletpoints before I make like an actual big town case:

1.) Backup vig w/ assumption of vig very early in the game showcased throughout my ISO. Would have to be a planned fake very early.
2.) After Nero claimed even-night gunsmith I moved off eyes to push scorpious cause I thought his reaction to Nero's claim was shit
3.) Part of the reason even-night gunsmith made conceptual sense to me is I suspected even-night vig could exist which would kinda line up with my role and no n1 double kill
4.) Idk why I would kill the worst here besides to say "why would I kill the worst"

[Stephen A Smith]

1.) Backup vig w/ assumption of vig very early in the game showcased throughout my ISO. Would have to be a planned fake very early.

I respect your scum game enough for this to not really be a point in your favor lol

[HockeyFan]

Haven't had a lot to say, Andante case isn't terrible but I think Hockey's latching on to it is worse than whatever Andante is accused of here in the first place.

Why?


Also, stephen do u any reason to sus me thats not "There cant be 5 PRS in the game". you're just ignoring andante/umualt really cuz of "daitsi is an artist" like lol wtf.

Also theres a case for scum to leave the 3 prs alive

Leaving Dwlee Alive- B4 d5 and a bit of d4(thier reads were wrong(even said by them), and they werent saying anything really other than eyes!scum). Also TW was more TRD then them
Leaving Stephen alive- You were fixated on there NOT being 5prs in the game, so once again, mafia likely kept u alive for havign wrong assumption
Leaving Me Alive- Allows a path for town!you(stephen) to push on me, and give mafia basically a free lim

[Dwlee99]

1.) Backup vig w/ assumption of vig very early in the game showcased throughout my ISO. Would have to be a planned fake very early.

I respect your scum game enough for this to not really be a point in your favor lol

Okay but what about the other stuff

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm still thinking about the other stuff

[Dwlee99]

There's also like. If I was scum what was stopping me from just limming hockey, killing you, and then being like wow silly stephen xP cause literally only you think I'm scum here

[Stephen A Smith]

1) you want revenge for that time I dunked on you as scum
2) wifom you think not killing me will make me change my mind
3) you are worried that killing me could make people listen to me
4) you don't want to shrink the PR pool since you're scum and in the PR pool
5) you enjoy watching me suffer(see reason 1)