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[fireisredsir]

i think that tene was more likely to be a VP counterwagon than the other way around, based on the way things developed

[fireisredsir]

im less convinced on tene cuz i think the "they're just like that" argument is believable. ive called them out all game for comments that i think on the surface look scummy, but they haven't really made any efforts to change in a way that would make them look more towny. it kinda feels like it's just their personality/posting style. they could still be scum but I'm not as into it as before and i think VP is more likely

[MathBlade]

Let’s assume tene is a CW (I disagree as iirc tene was first but I did just get off a long shift so Gonna roll with it) who do you think would be scum with VP on tene?

[fireisredsir]

originally thought deas was a possibility but he left tene for reasons i agree with so maybe he is town after all. malcolm would be pretty believable. eyes was positioning to join the tene wagon but didn't vote yet, he is a strong possibility. and then the 4th is probably like yeet or someone who doesn't want to commit to either main wagon

[fireisredsir]

or there's always still enchant

[MathBlade]

originally thought deas was a possibility but he left tene for reasons i agree with so maybe he is town after all. malcolm would be pretty believable. eyes was positioning to join the tene wagon but didn't vote yet, he is a strong possibility. and then the 4th is probably like yeet or someone who doesn't want to commit to either main wagon

This whole verbose isn’t helpful.

Iirc you’re saying that VP is the main wagon and tene is the counter
Then there should be a clear scum pushing that CW or your narrative/gamestate is likely flawed?

[fireisredsir]

i think the thing is that tene lim probably would have gone through (it was at 6 vs 4 on VP, with at least one or two more people willing to vote there) if me and deas hadn't switched off. and me and deas have been the two going after tene the hardest. so unless you think we're scum with tene and just hard bussing him, the wagon didn't dissolve due to scum partners moving away from it

[MathBlade]

While verbose**

Autocorrect you’re annoying me

[MathBlade]

i think the thing is that tene lim probably would have gone through (it was at 6 vs 4 on VP, with at least one or two more people willing to vote there) if me and deas hadn't switched off. and me and deas have been the two going after tene the hardest. so unless you think we're scum with tene and just hard bussing him, the wagon didn't dissolve due to scum partners moving away from it

Okay? So? This just means two town moved off

I don’t see how this meets your prior ideas

Tene — t,s,t,d,f,s

The wagon could be something like this?
Arrange t and s however you like for town and scum

I don’t see how you and deas unvoting is relevant here

[fireisredsir]

so my point is that i think the tene wagon is what the maf team wanted to happen. you're saying the the VCs indicate that tene is scum and there is activity for not tene. im saying i don't think that view is supported by what happened

[fireisredsir]

i don't get how your proposal of 2 scum on the tene wagon is supporting your point that tene is scum either

[MathBlade]

VCs today are
Fua v Skitter
Became a four way between VP, tene, Scorpious, enchant,
Became a three way beteeen Scorpious VP and tene
Became VP tene frog
Became tene Scorpious VP

If anything is a CW it’s not tene or VP it’s frog and Scorpio prolly

Tene and VP both are strong wagons

The people on the VP wagon are increasingly more static than the tene wagons which makes me think VP is a CW to skitter (or Fua)
And tene/Scorpio are scum so needed a new wagon

[fireisredsir]

yea actually agreed that scorp and frog look more like attempted CWs. maybe i phrased it wrong, what i meant was that i think maf team were angling towards wanting tene to be the elim instead of VP. the wagon already existed tho and was probably mostly town, but prob had a maf or two on it/ready to get on it.

[fireisredsir]

also... if the people on one wagon are more static and people elsewhere are jumping around, doesn't that make it more likely that the static one is on scum and the rest of the team is trying to find another place to push that will stick?

[MathBlade]

also... if the people on one wagon are more static and people elsewhere are jumping around, doesn't that make it more likely that the static one is on scum and the rest of the team is trying to find another place to push that will stick?

Depends on what happened before the stickiness and who the counter wagons are

I don’t think tene and VP is tvt

And hem did sus VP a bit just wasn’t their top read

VP just doesn’t feel like scum and I really don’t like how April is all maybe…

VOTE: VP

I have a feeling I am going to regret this

Voting with HEM’s scumread on another

Can we just CW Skitter? Or April?

[MathBlade]

Like I really want Tene or Scorpio but I think the game is scum controlled so we have to do another town elim to prove it which is silly

We should just flip Datisi too who is sus

Like there’s a million better than VP

[Datisi]

i see my own name being brought up

do you wanna talk, math?

[MathBlade]

i see my own name being brought up

do you wanna talk, math?

Mostly it’s from D1 theory.

It’s super late for me and hard to quantify.

It’s more if you’re town it’s an uphill battle against power wolves like Ari/April

[Datisi]

ah alright, sure

i don't see why town!me implies some grand powerwolves since i recall not agreeing with your vca theories but what else is new

[MathBlade]

ah alright, sure

i don't see why town!me implies some grand powerwolves since i recall not agreeing with your vca theories but what else is new

It’s more the odds of almost every D1 wagon being on town and not having power wolves is unlikelu

[fireisredsir]

ah alright, sure

i don't see why town!me implies some grand powerwolves since i recall not agreeing with your vca theories but what else is new

It’s more the odds of almost every D1 wagon being on town and not having power wolves is unlikelu

so why can't that be VP who was pushing everyone towards consolidating on wu/HEM?

[MathBlade]

ah alright, sure

i don't see why town!me implies some grand powerwolves since i recall not agreeing with your vca theories but what else is new

It’s more the odds of almost every D1 wagon being on town and not having power wolves is unlikelu

so why can't that be VP who was pushing everyone towards consolidating on wu/HEM?

That’s possible but no offense to VP he’s not a power wolf

[fireisredsir]

who is?

[MathBlade]

This wagon is pretty dissonant with D1.

VP can’t both be a power wolf and being wagoned here that doesn’t jive

Datisi and Ari (now Boonskiies) you’d need a hyperposter or someone of that caliber who commands the game. So scum in active posters

[tenebrousluminary]

So either datisi is scum to you or it's a power wolf scenario. I'm obviously not a power wolf, so am I scum with Datisi? If so, why did I try to kill him at the start?