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[MalcolmTucker]

Like why is April's slot under so little pressure? It was heavily pushed on day one, Ari left the game, April came in, argued they weren't mafia based on their lack of posting, despite being a replace-in, then accused me and admitted they had no clue as to what was actually going on in the game while doing so, and yet has stuck to that wagon since. It's just such a nonsense case and it's ridiculous town are even contemplating it at the moment.

Did you ever pressure the slot?

(I honestly don’t remember and can’t easily check rn so it’s a genuine question)

Not until April posted regularly - I've stated before I thought Ari seemed genuine because I didn't think mafia would pressure the masons so hard, but April's read of me has been so weak and incoherent that I feel like it's borderline desperate mafia trying to build a case against someone else with little to go on.

Why would she be desperate?

A replace-in starting with a weak hand. Ari was under heavy suspicion until they backed out. Then April said little on turn one. Since then the slot has escaped suspicion.

[MalcolmTucker]

If you think we are partners, why are you getting off my much bigger wagon?

i think it's a possibility. and cause i think april has cool ideas and im a big fan of the sudden unexpected wagon to see if it throws scum off their balance

This is fake as fuck

It genuinely might be the worst theory of the game so far and I've rated most of Fire's posts. You might be mafia. I know I'm not, but feck it, I get why it's sensible to apply some pressure. The idea we're mafia together is genuinely just incoherent.

[tenebrousluminary]

My point being, why can't April simply take either the wagon against me or the one against VP, since she comes in to both sitting out on a silver platter?

[Nero Cain]

If the reasoning for Malcolm is that he's a partner with VP I'm not sure why we should stop voting VP?

Nero making actual sense

I've made plenty of sense this game its just that it's been about you and you're pouting

[MalcolmTucker]

Like why is April's slot under so little pressure? It was heavily pushed on day one, Ari left the game, April came in, argued they weren't mafia based on their lack of posting, despite being a replace-in, then accused me and admitted they had no clue as to what was actually going on in the game while doing so, and yet has stuck to that wagon since. It's just such a nonsense case and it's ridiculous town are even contemplating it at the moment.

She is solving. Not exactly rocket science to piece together why she isn't getting votes.

Solving what exactly? Posting reads is what anyone else is doing. What is the turn one history of this slot being ignored entirely?

[DeasVail]

My first impression from Malcolm’s reaction is that it comes from town but I will need some time to process.

[fireisredsir]

i have the opposite impression, his reaction is what made me decide to switch

[MathBlade]

Last VC is hella old and I just did another extra long shift
Anyone wanna tell me approx what the vote spread is?

[MalcolmTucker]

In a smaller game I could see mafia Malcolm pressuring VP a bit to create deliberate distance. But in a 15+ person game there is just absolutely no sense in me going through proper ISO hunts on VP if they are my teammate to try and higlight a possible mafia case when they are already under pressure. Whatever you think of us individually, the case for us as a team is just entirely non-existent.

[DeasVail]

i have the opposite impression, his reaction is what made me decide to switch

Something is very wrong then!

It will probably be a few hours at least before I can explain my thoughts.

[VP Baltar]

If the reasoning for Malcolm is that he's a partner with VP I'm not sure why we should stop voting VP?

Nero making actual sense

He isn't actually, because that is hardly the main reasoning being used. Main pusher April does not even think that is what is happening.

No one is saying that's a reason to suspect Malcom. I'm saying fire isn't genuine given his flop off me, someone who he says is scum

[MalcolmTucker]

Look through my ISO and analyse all my mentions of VP if you want. It is fundamentally not the ISO of teammates, there is no need for me to so consistently suspect them at this point in the game.

[VP Baltar]

If the reasoning for Malcolm is that he's a partner with VP I'm not sure why we should stop voting VP?

Nero making actual sense

I've made plenty of sense this game its just that it's been about you and you're pouting

Nah, you are bad at mafia. It's fine. The stronger players will sort this game out.

[DeasVail]

Look through my ISO and analyse all my mentions of VP if you want. It is fundamentally not the ISO of teammates, there is no need for me to so consistently suspect them at this point in the game.

Your intense focus on the viability of a you-VP mafia team is very curious!

[MalcolmTucker]

VP's continual theory that Nero/Wu may have been mafia together and that Nero was potentially backing away from Wu because they were teammates really made no sense at all to me but they notably kept pushing it, in posts 1339, 1344, 1939 and 2128 to give just some examples.

It just doesn't chime. Nero was basically the first player in the game to mention that Wu was not contributing a heavy amount and that they were coming across as suspicious for it. I don't see why there'd be any benefit to throwing your teammate into the mix like that early in the game...in retrospect without that post it's quite possible there'd have never been a bandwagon against Wu at all in turn one.

I dunno, the way VP just kept pushing this felt strange, as if it was potential mafia who'd come up with a theory to push Nero/Wu and who felt like they couldn't drop it without seeming suspicious for doing so.

Again this was one of my first posts turn two. I have no reason to properly start mafia-casing VP this early having barely done so before. As a townie, my big readthrough (I had like 50 pages to catch up on) flipped VP from very null to potential mafia.

[Nero Cain]

You just talk a big game but that's about all.

[MalcolmTucker]

Look through my ISO and analyse all my mentions of VP if you want. It is fundamentally not the ISO of teammates, there is no need for me to so consistently suspect them at this point in the game.

Your intense focus on the viability of a you-VP mafia team is very curious!

I note you aren't addressing the points being made here.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: fireisred

[DeasVail]

Look through my ISO and analyse all my mentions of VP if you want. It is fundamentally not the ISO of teammates, there is no need for me to so consistently suspect them at this point in the game.

Your intense focus on the viability of a you-VP mafia team is very curious!

I note you aren't addressing the points being made here.

?

[DeasVail]

VOTE: fireisred

Nooooo not my vibe buddy!

[DeasVail]

Look through my ISO and analyse all my mentions of VP if you want. It is fundamentally not the ISO of teammates, there is no need for me to so consistently suspect them at this point in the game.

Your intense focus on the viability of a you-VP mafia team is very curious!

I note you aren't addressing the points being made here.

?

What would be the point of me getting into an argument with you over whether you could or could not possibly be mafia with VP?

[fireisredsir]

i don't get why you're so hung up on the VP partner thing lol, i mentioned it as an aside to april cause i think it's a possibility. it's not and wasn't ever my reason for switching, and i never said it was

[VP Baltar]

i didn't think you were that likely to be elimmed

If you're town!fire, and you see scum!vp at fucking E-2, do you ditch that wagon and then say "lol, this lim wasn't going to happen"?

That's insane! You barely have to do any kind of convincing to finish my lim at that point. Fire doesn't believe in what they are saying. These are votes of convenience and popularity. Fire is going with the flow and using other people's suspicions to drive his own, as I stated in my wagon analysis.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: fireisred

Nooooo not my vibe buddy!

You're getting played

[DeasVail]

VOTE: fireisred

Nooooo not my vibe buddy!

You're getting played

What if I don’t mind that though?