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Post Post #3925 (ISO) » Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:30 pm

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In post 3880, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3874, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 3871, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3865, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 3857, VP Baltar wrote:Lol this guy says he isn't arguing I'm scum. Very unsure!
didn't say that lol. obv i was arguing you were scum before. but i wasn't convinced, i never am
So you always argue people are scum up to e-2 that you're unsure about? How unsure were you?
what kind of a question is this lmao? yes??? that's how mafia works?? everyone is always unsure
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if this is true then why was my hammer scummy in the first place. Gottem LOL.

IDK dude I still think Malcolm is obvtown and this counterwagon is bad.

I am starting to think scum are outside of VP/Malcolm like scum is like Nero or something
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Post Post #3926 (ISO) » Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:31 pm

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In post 3897, MathBlade wrote:I think that team would be excellent because only VP is under suspicion.

I think maybe I win as scum a lot because I play scum differently?
I legit have no idea what you are talking about
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Post Post #3927 (ISO) » Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:37 pm

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In post 3924, Cape90 wrote:
In post 3868, Nero Cain wrote:Boon is prob town and scum are sheeping him on Malcolm.
Who is boon?

Also Malcolm is town stop.

Looking at Deas' recent content, I think Deas Vail is town
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Post Post #3928 (ISO) » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:16 pm

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In post 3923, DeasVail wrote:
In post 3920, April Ludgate wrote:I think people just don't want me to be right, but frankly, I only think I know 1 scum for sure.

This is hella hard to get this wagon going on a slot I feel nobody's really defending.
I don’t really agree. Not many players have posted since the wagon took off, it hasn’t been very long, and not many active players have /not/ voted Malcolm.
I mean, I've been pushing him for a while, wagon had like 3 more people, but fire changed before really giving it a chance.
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Post Post #3929 (ISO) » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:17 pm

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In post 3925, Cape90 wrote:IDK dude I still think Malcolm is obvtown
What has he done to make himself obvtown to you specifically?

For me, I feel like he's obvscum, so wanna see where we're missing.
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Post Post #3930 (ISO) » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:19 pm

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In post 3927, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3924, Cape90 wrote:
In post 3868, Nero Cain wrote:Boon is prob town and scum are sheeping him on Malcolm.
Who is boon?

Also Malcolm is town stop.

Looking at Deas' recent content, I think Deas Vail is town
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Post Post #3931 (ISO) » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:19 pm

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In post 3922, DeasVail wrote:
In post 3912, April Ludgate wrote:Are we over this VPB wagon yet?
Nah.

Also like it or not, you have to face the fact that at least one of me/Fire is town.
Yeah, I like it.
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Post Post #3932 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:25 am

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Okay regarding Malcolm:

and the follow-up in is mildly town. Malcolm is calling out what they believe is scummy behaviour in Yeet, a player they otherwise townread. After fua expresses agreement with it, Malcolm clarifies that they still think Yeet may be town. Gives an agenda-less vibe, an impression more of town saying what they think than scum aiming for a particular outcome.
reveals nuance to the Nordom read and also provides evidence that Malcolm will push someone without feeling the need for it to lead to a solid read. I feel like a more common scum approach is more one-dimensional. Pressure player -> read output. Scum don't want to waste the material they have! Whereas Malcolm is coming up with material and then being like "actually nah", which is not conclusively town but town-indicative imo.

Despite these things I liked from early game, one notable thing is the players that Malcolm has chosen to pressure at this point in the game. People like Wu, Nordom, Yeet, Tene - who I would classify as juicier pressure targets, whilst he chose to defend Datisi. a more established player.
^That said, the shift from tenebro to VP in and is a positive direction.

I don't have much else to say up until the reaction to the newly formed wagon. I find the outrage at the wagon to be entitled in a towny way. The "why is April's slot under so little pressure?" feels like genuine disbelief that a person Malcolm thinks of as scummy is rounding up the town.

^I am not entirely convinced of this and will think again on it tomorrow but that's currently where i'm at.

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Overall I'm not convinced Malcolm is town, but I'd class it as a mild townread overall. I continue to believe that VP is scum to the point where I would like to push for his elimination. I think that there has been a play shift since around the time of my vote, where VP has stopped thinking about their reasoning and has started just spewing nonsense (see the attack on fire filled with logic holes and misinterpretations that others have obviously noticed). I don't know the exact reason for this shift, but I don't think it comes from town and could be a scum attempt to look more town and "loose". I have seen a similar sort of thing before from experienced players as scum under pressure, and while I don't think VP is scum
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of that anecdotal evidence, it somewhat reassures me that I'm not misreading something that I should be finding townie.
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Post Post #3933 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:40 am

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In post 3925, Cape90 wrote:I am starting to think scum are outside of VP/Malcolm like scum is like Nero or something
Do you have something to say to me?
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Post Post #3934 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:06 am

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In post 3922, DeasVail wrote:Also like it or not, you have to face the fact that at least one of me/Fire is town.
So you are saying one of you is definitely scum? Also, how is this a fact?
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Post Post #3935 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:09 am

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In post 3925, Cape90 wrote:if this is true then why was my hammer scummy in the first place. Gottem LOL.
Like I said, if you had just said "wu needed to get got, and I killed him, so what?", I probably would have backed off you immediately.

I know you're teasing me here, but I do think town are more likely to show convictions at the end of a wagon than scum are.
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Post Post #3936 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:17 am

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In post 3932, DeasVail wrote:VP has stopped thinking about their reasoning and has started just spewing nonsense (see the attack on fire filled with logic holes and misinterpretations that others have obviously noticed).
Yes, fire makes nonsense moves with his vote based on his stated scum reads, but VP is irrational and a menace to society! You are so pocketed it's kind of sad, fmpov.

Nothing I said is a misinterpretation of what fire said. I quoted him directly. Those are his words for the world to see, not mine.

Further, the "others have obviously noticed" that you mention is you and fire essentially. So your using your own position to validate your position, which is pretty silly.
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Post Post #3937 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:20 am

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In post 3826, MalcolmTucker wrote:It genuinely might be the worst theory of the game so far and I've rated most of Fire's posts
@deasvail - your town read's assessment of Fire's nonsense last night.

"Others have obviously noticed"
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Post Post #3938 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:21 am

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In post 3919, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3916, Yeet wrote:Idk I just assumed
That’s not an assumption

That was stated as fact

VOTE: Yeet

If this flips red scum are also someone who played with me last game
Wait what? So you think yeet might be an alt, and that is why you think they are scum?
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Post Post #3939 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:22 am

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Oh you think he has inside info fed from someone else in the other game.

Eh, I just assumed Yeet could be an alt that almost slipped.
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Post Post #3940 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:14 am

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I already mentioned that I am an alt and I have a few games of experience, none of this should be news. I briefly reviewed parts of the game that Math was talking about since there is a lot of plist overlap, but obviously I didn’t go into too much depth.

Deas’s townpoints on Malcolm are not convincing to me, but I am certainly biased there.
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Post Post #3941 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:16 am

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I really doubt April’s agenda here is to pocket me by going at Malcolm and use arguments that specifically I find appealing which is why I feel so comfortable blatantly sheeping here.
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Post Post #3942 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:17 am

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It’s an agenda that shouldn’t appeal to that many people so for a good scum like Flavor to use this strategy is very ?? To me
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Post Post #3943 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:17 am

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In post 3940, Yeet wrote:Deas’s townpoints on Malcolm are not convincing to me, but I am certainly biased there.
Let's assume Malcom scum, what does that say to you about who the rest of the scum team is?
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Post Post #3944 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:18 am

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I haven’t thought that far yet, honestly
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Post Post #3945 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:21 am

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In post 3944, Yeet wrote:I haven’t thought that far yet, honestly
You can get back to me today, and I'll give this Malcom case an in depth assessment in exchange.
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Post Post #3946 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:28 am

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Post Post #3947 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:38 am

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In post 3946, Mizzytastic wrote:
Datisi
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Post Post #3948 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:52 am

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Scorpious, why are you voting me?
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Post Post #3949 (ISO) » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:58 am

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In post 3948, VP Baltar wrote:Scorpious, why are you voting me?
someone made a comment back in 1997 about the game solve is so easy and one of us us scum an it isn't me..

So it HAS to be you,no?
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