Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1-15

marcistar (3)[E2]:

Mr Turtle, GoldfishFromTheMoon, BigTerp

Somnus (2):

Lukewarm, PlmPestPlaY

PlmPestPlaY (1):

Somnus

Not Voting (3):

marcistar, furtiveglance, TTTT

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 15, 5 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-15 05:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[PlmPestPlaY]

UNVOTE:

I don't want a hammer or even a claim until Goldie is caught up

You could vote Somnus in the meantime. Duel wagons were your idea.

[BigTerp]

UNVOTE:

I don't want a hammer or even a claim until Goldie is caught up

You could vote Somnus in the meantime. Duel wagons were your idea.

Excellent point.

TTTT - Could you elaborate on why you moved your vote off of Marci, twice, when they were at E-1? And more importantly, why didn't you put your vote elsewhere to help with the "dueling wagon" theory you've been advocating for?

[BigTerp]

FYI - After 4:00 pm EST today, I will have limited access. I won't be completely MIA, and will be checking in at least once a day, but my activity/participation will be noticeably less.

[marcistar]

Why does everyone refuse to look at it from my pov T_T meanies...

[furtiveglance]

You won't show me your pov. Give detailed reads please!!

[TTTT]

TTTT - Could you elaborate on why you moved your vote off of Marci, twice, when they were at E-1? And more importantly, why didn't you put your vote elsewhere to help with the "dueling wagon" theory you've been advocating for?

I don't want a hammer or even a claim until we hear more from Goldie
it costs us little to wait 24 hours
I'm not moving to another wagon because I don't want the Marci wagon to collapse I'd others follow
I get how it looks if Marci flips red
not too worried about that
I mean, that's actually a bit helpful right now tbh
and I'll gladly be the hammer when the time comes

[TTTT]

EBWOP

I'm not moving to another wagon because I don't want the Marci wagon to collapse

if

others follow

[TTTT]

@Goldie
we need your thoughts soon
like within a few hours of this post
I said it before: just read and post as you go
this is better for us to see how you are thinking than a large catch up post

[BigTerp]

Why does everyone refuse to look at it from my pov T_T meanies...

You won't show me your pov.

Give detailed reads please!!

THIS!!!!!

[BigTerp]

TTTT - Could you elaborate on why you moved your vote off of Marci, twice, when they were at E-1? And more importantly, why didn't you put your vote elsewhere to help with the "dueling wagon" theory you've been advocating for?

I don't want a hammer or even a claim until we hear more from Goldie
it costs us little to wait 24 hours

Fair enough, and I do not necessarily disagree. But this is the second time you've moved away from Marci at E-1. the first time you were the one to put them at E-1, and then later backed off. Even though I don't disagree with your logic either time, doing it twice is giving me a lot of pause.

I'm not moving to another wagon because I don't want the Marci wagon to collapse I'd others follow
I get how it looks if Marci flips red
not too worried about that
I mean, that's actually a bit helpful right now tbh
and I'll gladly be the hammer when the time comes

PPP made a good point that I overlooked earlier about you advocating for dueling wagons, yet not doing much in that regard when you had the chance. Taking your vote off Marci has as much of a chance of others following as it would if you moved it elsewhere. So, IMO, it didn't really matter where you moved it to, so while taking some pressure off of Marci why not put it elsewhere? Both these things could be perceived as scum trying to look as if they are scum reading their partner, putting votes and pressure on them but then getting nervous and moving off. Marci is my biggest scum read, so naturally your moves here are leaving me with some questions.

With all of that said, I feel like it's MUCH more productive to eliminate Marci here versus anyone else. TTTT can be looked at/addressed further later if needed. For now, we get the biggest bang for our buck by eliminating Marci. Other than waiting on some contribution/insight from GoldfishFromTheMoon, I'm not sure what we're waiting for

[marcistar]

You won't show me your pov. Give detailed reads please!!

I did everyone just ignored them

[Lukewarm]

Hey Marci, what is your read on me?

[PlmPestPlaY]

Marci who is the most sus rn?
Feel free to say me

yes you

aliana or mr turtle as well

I don't see this train stopping, but why not vote one of them? Even sheep voting Somnus would be better than nothing. How close to the end of day 1 do you plan to go before voting?

[Mr Turtle]

Mr Turtle could you expand on why you scum-read furtiveglance after #1 scum-reading marcistar, who you said made the most well thought out case against furtiveglance?

The furtiveglance read and the marcistar read are largely independent. I thought marcistar's post on furtiveglance was the townies thing she had done up to that point and I agreed with some of the reasonings in the post. I don't see the need to do associative reads before we have a concrete alignment flip. With that being said, I'd like to revisit my scum and town leans (including furtiveglance) soon.

[furtiveglance]

You won't show me your pov. Give detailed reads please!!

I did everyone just ignored them

All we have so far is 409, which was cobbled together by TTTT. I don't need pages of theory/analysis, I'd just like each player put into one of three groups: town, null, and mafia. Furthermore, if you are town, you have a unique perspective on your wagon. Who looks like they are cynically pushing you out? Who looks like town being led astray?

[marcistar]

wow so whats 505 508 and 509 then
ur so mean to me!! isnt that detailed

[Lukewarm]

Hey Marci, what is your read on me?

[TTTT]

Both these things could be perceived as scum trying to look as if they are scum reading their partner, putting votes and pressure on them but then getting nervous and moving off.

so it's scummy because I'm trying to save Marci from getting elim'd?
but it's also scummy because I'm not voting another counter wagon?
pick one

[TTTT]

I know what I am doing
and I know how it looks
but in the end it makes sense and benefits town
and I'm ok with a few people not getting that

[TTTT]

you guys do realize you are not getting anything else from Marci, right?
I'm more interested in some thoughts from Goldie

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I'm not sure we should Eliminate Marcistar yet UNVOTE: Marcistar

@Goldie
we need your thoughts soon
like within a few hours of this post

Here are some thoughts (sorry I know you didn't want a wall of text):


Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet):
Mafia:
Somnus : really active but not contributing much, seems like active lurking
Marcistar: reasons I already described, also at the beginning they kept asking for reads but weren't contributing anything, I think that asking questions isn't scummy however it really looked like Marci was trying to look like she was pushing the game forward but not having to contribute or just looking for someone else's reads to latch onto. However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.
PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off, I wonder if it is a bus.

Everyone else seems pretty town-ish but there is nobody I completely trust.




And some other stuff:

Also though, Dino's tenure in the slot was individually kinda bad

.

Could you Explain this please; Dino made 1 post about there being a lot of content to read through, how is that suspicious?

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy.

No idea what gave you that impression...

It would be a bit underwhelming if marcistar and GoldfishFromTheMoon turned out to be mafia. Hope GoldfishFromTheMoon is town.

This post freaks me out.

Intent to hammer Marcistar

not yet
I don't even want a claim from marci yet
UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

I don't want a hammer or even a claim until Goldie is caught up

Something to keep in mind if Marci flips scum. TTTT has advocated for competing wagons, and the importance of putting pressure on players via votes. We get Marci to E-1, twice, and each time TTTT removes their vote off of Marci.

I find this very interesting

You won't show me your pov. Give detailed reads please!!

I did everyone just ignored them

All we have so far is 409, which was cobbled together by TTTT. I don't need pages of theory/analysis, I'd just like each player put into one of three groups: town, null, and mafia.

Furthermore, if you are town, you have a unique perspective on your wagon. Who looks like they are cynically pushing you out? Who looks like town being led astray

?

I would like to hear your answer to this Marcistar.

Not a whole lot has changed since my last reads list, but here is where I'm at currently.

LukeWarm

- Pretty solid town read. Seems to really be trying to figure things out and get others involved. Posts don't seem forced or contrived, which is typically a scum tell.

Furtiveglance

- Has gone from null/townish to another solid town read. They have many of the same thoughts as myself in regards to reads, which obviously makes them a townish feel. Their pressure on Marci and intent to hammer, twice now, has me really thinking it's not something scum would be doing this early.

Mr. Turtle

- They have gone from null/scum to null/town. The only thing keeping me from reading them as solid town is lack of participation. Although they aren't contributing as much as others, what they do contribute seems pretty solid. I would love to see more from Mr. Turtle!!

TTTT

- Was my biggest town read for the longest time. Has now moved to null. More of a gut feel than anything, but something is not sitting quite right with me on TTTT lately. I mentioned this about the unvotes https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13290850 and maybe that is what has given me a lot of pause.

PPP

- Nothing has changed with my thoughts on PPP.

Somnus

- Has moved to my scummy list. Posting seems forced with little substance. It's like Somnus is here and participating, but just enough to appear as present and participating. Not giving much thought on their own reads nor others. Good strategy for scum, so if they are flipped there isn't much to go own based on their previous post.

Marcistar

- No changes here. Still my biggest scum read. They've done, literally, nothing to even attempt to change my mind here.

GoldfishFromTheMoon

- Nothing here yet. But I do like the early assessment of Marci and the seemingly eagerness to join the game. I hope they continue to participate. This slot was an early scum read for me, so I'm going to have to try hard to be a little unbiased and hear out GoldfishFromTheMoon a bit more before I make any further assessments.

I mostly agree with a lot of this (except for my slot being an early scum read lol)

[TTTT]

if you can give us your thoughts within the next 24 hours it would be very helpful
Marci is at E-1 but no claim yet and we will need to resolve that after you catch up

@Goldfish
it's been 24 hours
go ahead and start working on your day2 fake claim with your partner

PEDIT: I see you just posted. Haven't read it yet but will

[TTTT]

I'm currently formulating a reads list for the game but it's taking a while.

whatever happened to this?

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I'm currently formulating a reads list for the game but it's taking a while.

whatever happened to this?

Some of it is there, but there was some more activity after I posted (mostly while I was asleep I think most of the people on this thread live in a different timezone to me) and I changed my mind about some people.