Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[TTTT]

I have a note that says it probably isn't a marci-goldie scumteam
but Goldie is really making me question that

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Honestly it's because I was having difficulty sorting people into town and Null

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I have a note that says it probably isn't a marci-goldie scumteam
but Goldie is really making me question that

Sorry, I swear I'm town.

[TTTT]

Goldie hasn't commented on very much at all that happened prior to her replacing in
almost like she isn't trying to formulate actual reads
I'm good with either a Marci or Goldie elim today
VOTE: marci

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I know this looks bad but I'm going to put my vote back on Marci
VOTE: Marcistar

[TTTT]

you have some explaining to do

[TTTT]

That's E-1

someone should intent to hammer and let's get Marco's claim
unless you all want to elim Goldie

[TTTT]

there is a lot wrong with Goldie's 571
casting a lot of shade without taking any real stances

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

That's E-1

AHH sorry I didn't say

you have some explaining to do

so here is my explaining (and I get this sounds bad)

My reads list was basically identical to BigTerps so I just said that I agreed with most of it.

here is what I have on the players I didn't mention,

Furtive glance: I'm pretty sure he's town but I don't trust myself because I visualise him as Watson from the BBC Sherlock TV show because of the profile pic, which biases me toward thinking he is town.

BigTerp: I agree with most of their reads and they liked my marci logic from earlier, so I think we seem to be having a similar thought process and they're town

TTTT: Initially I was kinda suspicious of you but your reaction to my most recent stuff honestly seems town

Mr turtle: I like most of their posts and I think they seem town

Lukewarm : Haven't got around to reading ISO yet but what I've seen seems good.

[furtiveglance]

Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet):
Mafia:
Somnus : really active but not contributing much, seems like active lurking
Marcistar: reasons I already described, also at the beginning they kept asking for reads but weren't contributing anything, I think that asking questions isn't scummy however it really looked like Marci was trying to look like she was pushing the game forward but not having to contribute or just looking for someone else's reads to latch onto. However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.
PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off,

I wonder if it is a bus.

You seem to have agreed with the consensus here. I recently explained why I moved PPP to null, as I think their weirdness might not be Alignment Indicative. Your theory that PPP is currently bussing Somnus is as bizarre as pigeons being government drones. Why would mafia go so hard day 1, putting the spotlight on both of them? That comment needs more justification, seems really flaky to just say 'I wonder'.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

there is a lot wrong with Goldie's 571
casting a lot of shade without taking any real stances

I don't want to take to strong a stance because I think I'm possibly wrong and I don't want to throw the game.

But my current stance is we should eliminate Marci and go from there, whichever way she flips it will give us a lot of information about the game (but I do think she is scum)

[TTTT]

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy.

No idea what gave you that impression...

It would be a bit underwhelming if marcistar and GoldfishFromTheMoon turned out to be mafia. Hope GoldfishFromTheMoon is town.

This post freaks me out.

this makes me doubt it's as simple as marci-goldie
seems very unlikely Goldie posts this if they are the team

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet):
Mafia:
Somnus : really active but not contributing much, seems like active lurking
Marcistar: reasons I already described, also at the beginning they kept asking for reads but weren't contributing anything, I think that asking questions isn't scummy however it really looked like Marci was trying to look like she was pushing the game forward but not having to contribute or just looking for someone else's reads to latch onto. However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.
PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off,

I wonder if it is a bus.

You seem to have agreed with the consensus here. I recently explained why I moved PPP to null, as I think their weirdness might not be Alignment Indicative. Your theory that PPP is currently bussing Somnus is as bizarre as pigeons being government drones.

Why would mafia go so hard day 1, putting the spotlight on both of them?

That comment needs more justification, seems really flaky to just say 'I wonder'.

I was thinking it might be a gambit, to intentionally make us think what I've highlighted from your post, but I was just wondering I'm not certain.

[furtiveglance]

this makes me doubt it's as simple as marci-goldie
seems very unlikely Goldie posts this if they are the team

Fake musing. You were never really considering marcistar/Gold. If you were I'm disappointed.

[TTTT]

odd how you think you can read my mind
I certainly entertained the thought here on the last two pages

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet):
Mafia:
Somnus : really active but not contributing much, seems like active lurking
Marcistar: reasons I already described, also at the beginning they kept asking for reads but weren't contributing anything, I think that asking questions isn't scummy however it really looked like Marci was trying to look like she was pushing the game forward but not having to contribute or just looking for someone else's reads to latch onto. However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.
PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off,

I wonder if it is a bus.

You seem to have agreed with the consensus here. I recently explained why I moved PPP to null, as I think their weirdness might not be Alignment Indicative. Your theory that PPP is currently bussing Somnus is as bizarre as pigeons being government drones.

Why would mafia go so hard day 1, putting the spotlight on both of them?

That comment needs more justification, seems really flaky to just say 'I wonder'.

I was thinking it might be a gambit, to intentionally make us think what I've highlighted from your post, but I was just wondering I'm not certain.

That is what I would have done if I started in this game and rolled scum, I would have hidden behind the "I haven't played forum mafia before look at the clueless newbie lol" and bussed my scum partner and got them to bus me, to draw attention to ourselves because newbie scum wouldn't be that smart/stupid depending how you see it.

[TTTT]

Lukewarm : Haven't got around to reading ISO yet but what I've seen seems good.

did you not read the game from the beginning?
are you just reading ISOs?

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

But I still think Marcistar is more suspicious and we should still vote her out.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Lukewarm : Haven't got around to reading ISO yet but what I've seen seems good.

did you not read the game from the beginning?
are you just reading ISOs?

I've a lot of the game from the beginning but not all of it and my reading was kinda rushed, and I wanted to fully look though peoples ISO's before giving an opinion in case I missed something.

[PlmPestPlaY]

TTTT's recent reaction to GoldfishFromTheMoon kinda made me laugh.

so it's scummy because I'm trying to save Marci from getting elim'd?
but it's also scummy because I'm not voting another counter wagon?
pick one

Why would you have to pick one? Both are BigTerp's scum-reads.

you guys do realize you are not getting anything else from Marci, right?
I'm more interested in some thoughts from Goldie

I suppose this is true. GoldfishFromTheMoon isn't on the wagon though. This caught my eye since you were most eager to put pressure on players.

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy.

No idea what gave you that impression...

I only wrote that because Alianna was mostly town-read. I can see why the replacement thing looks scummy. Also GoldfishFromTheMoon might not have read others' reads on Alianna .

[PlmPestPlaY]

Spoiler:

I've decided to ISO Lukewarm to see if I was able to move them out of my null range.

Regarding marcistar

: During the first twenty four hours of the game, Lukewarm pretty much waits for her to show up (11, 77 & 157) with the reasoning that she is "easiest to read in the very start of the game, before she has found her footing". What I don't like about this is that they barely do anything and it feels as though they are hiding behind said reasoning to not do anything. Having someone to meta read at the beginning of the game makes it easier to "get into" the game so to speak, but it's also an easy way for scum to look busy. Then Luke has a bit of a back and forth of friendly banter with marcistar (160 & 164) and paired with their hyper-focus regarding their interactions with her (162 & 282), I deem them unlikely to be mafia partners. Note that when 164 was posted, 7 out of 10 posts in Luke's ISO had explicitly mentioned, quoted or been about marcistar. Later, Luke starts defending marcistar based on meta reads (286 & 299), claiming that most of her lack of vote and joke scumfession were NAI. In 294 they post their first concrete read on marcistar as "null scum". To me, this progression seems a bit messy, which I rate as being more likely towny than not. In 313, Luke voices his distaste with the E-1 vote, something which I also see as towny. They then make a non-read on marci by saying that they "want to hold off comitting to a read on her" and place them in their null range (317 & 318). Furthermore, Luke cements marcistar's null position by defending their retracted vote and subtly defending her (347, 348 & 352). I like Luke trying to slow the thread down on the marcistar wagon, it doesn't strike me as benefiting the mafia. 396, 399 & 400 are used to defend marci once again based on their scum reads, however Luke backtracks a bit by saying "I don't think that this is a slam dunk Marci is town case". I am not overjoyed by the hedginess on marcistar since a lot of Luke's posts have been used defending her. The hedginess is continued in 412, the posts 413, 414, 415 & 419 are meta dives into marci's past games, but Luke admits that he doesn't have any reliable meta tells and thus marcistar stays in the null range.

Conclusion

: Lukewarm spends a lot of time and posts semi-defending marcistar by dismissing many reasons for scum reading her as NAI while staying null throughout the entire game (minus the occasional "maybe town" or "maybe scum" comment). What makes me dislike the null read especially is the fact that I count 25-30 posts made that more or less directly have to do with marci in a 70 post ISO. With that being said, I don't think that Luke can be mafia if marcistar is. No-one enters the thread and spends a third of their posts on their scum buddy. Overall, I rate Luke's interactions with marci as lean town for them. If marci is town, I'm going to scrutinize Luke some more. Outside of the associative reads, I understand that Luke latches on to the player they best know to post about. This is something I would do as well. However, I'm a bit disappointed that the reads always end nullish.

General thoughts

: On the other hand, the rest of Luke's ISO has been quite towny since their reappearance 281. I don't want to dwell on this as long as the Luke-marci interactions, but I have a couple comments here as well. What stuck out to me the most was Luke not going with the flow. When Luke reemerged at 281, their reads were independent from thread consensus. Multiple reads lists had been posted, it would have been really easy to simply "copy" them without having anyone really bat an eye. But Luke didn't, instead they scum-cased Somnus and placed a scum lean on BigTerp in 316. The lock-town on TTTT also doesn't benefit scum!Luke (420). As mafia, Luke would want to either
a) push for TTTT to get lynched, or
b) night-kill TTTT without having a strong connection tied to the kill.
But by putting TTTT as their highest town, scum!Luke wouldn't be able to do a) or b) without receiving suspicion. The fact that Luke town-locked TTTT without having pressure on them to do so makes me feel better about them.

Conclusion

:

I'm comfortable with putting Luke as a town read

. What Luke lacks in towniness regarding their marcistar read they make up with their other posts. Particularly if marci turns out to be mafia it will make me more confident in my Luke read. They have just had a towny thread presence in this game.

Would you null-lean Lukewarm, if marcistar flipped town?

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

TTTT's recent reaction to GoldfishFromTheMoon kinda made me laugh.

so it's scummy because I'm trying to save Marci from getting elim'd?
but it's also scummy because I'm not voting another counter wagon?
pick one

Why would you have to pick one? Both are BigTerp's scum-reads.

you guys do realize you are not getting anything else from Marci, right?
I'm more interested in some thoughts from Goldie

I suppose this is true. GoldfishFromTheMoon isn't on the wagon though. This caught my eye since you were most eager to put pressure on players.

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy.

No idea what gave you that impression...

I only wrote that because Alianna was mostly town-read. I can see why the replacement thing looks scummy. Also GoldfishFromTheMoon might not have read others' reads on Alianna .

People did scumread alianna, and recently there were quite a few comments that the slot was likely to be scum.

Also you must have missed something, I am on the Marci Wagon.

[PlmPestPlaY]

Also you must have missed something, I am on the Marci Wagon.

Excuse me. I meant to say you weren't being voted out.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Also you must have missed something, I am on the Marci Wagon.

Excuse me. I meant to say you weren't being voted out.

OH sorry I misunderstood

[Frozen Angel]