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[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1-16

marcistar (4)[E1]:

Mr Turtle, BigTerp, TTTT, GoldfishFromTheMoon

Somnus (2):

Lukewarm, PlmPestPlaY

PlmPestPlaY (1):

Somnus

Not Voting (2):

marcistar, furtiveglance

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 15, 5 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-15 05:00:00)

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[PlmPestPlaY]

OH sorry I misunderstood

Actually you read it correctly. I don't have the terminology down. This is the 2nd time I've made this mistake.

[Somnus]

This is a good thought. I think if Marci ends up being the elimination, this is going to be a much easier question to answer.

[Somnus]

Don't know what happened to the quote. One sec. ^

[Somnus]

You won't show me your pov. Give detailed reads please!!

I did everyone just ignored them

All we have so far is 409, which was cobbled together by TTTT. I don't need pages of theory/analysis, I'd just like each player put into one of three groups: town, null, and mafia. Furthermore, if you are town, you have a unique perspective on your wagon. Who looks like they are cynically pushing you out? Who looks like town being led astray?

Meant to quote that last part from furtive ^

[Somnus]

I don't know how I feel about starting a counter-wagon on someone who just got here and is in their first game on the site, regardless of how scummy the slot appears. That seems like a good way to drive someone away from the site permanently. They will presumably still be here on Day 2. Two replacements in less than a week doesn't look good on a slot, especially on Day 1. I don't feel great about holding that against Goldie as soon as they replaced into their first game, regardless of how questionable the slot is. I'd like to hear other opinions on what is customary in this situation.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I don't know how I feel about starting a counter-wagon on someone who just got here and is in their first game on the site, regardless of how scummy the slot appears. That seems like a good way to drive someone away from the site permanently. They will presumably still be here on Day 2. Two replacements in less than a week doesn't look good on a slot, especially on Day 1. I don't feel great about holding that against Goldie as soon as they replaced into their first game, regardless of how questionable the slot is. I'd like to hear other opinions on what is customary in this situation.

I won't leave the site if you eliminate me don't worry, if you really think I should be eliminated do it, I don't want to be kept alive because you all feel sorry for me lol.

That said I'm town and I don't want you to waste an elimination on me.

I also think this post makes Somnus seem slightly more town - it would be easy to press for an elimination of me, a townie without looking suspicious so the fact that they are actually defending me (sort of) makes me think they could be town.

[Lukewarm]

PPP: something is very off about their posting, they seem desperate to get somnus voted off, I wonder if it is a bus.

Why do you jump to him being desperate to bus his partner vs desperate to save his partner (Marci) vs wanting to look like he was trying to stop a town miselimin (Marci) depending on how she flips?

[Lukewarm]

[quote="In post 571:

Also though, Dino's tenure in the slot was individually kinda bad

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Could you Explain this please; Dino made 1 post about there being a lot of content to read through, how is that suspicious?

[/quote]

Scum is more likely to be scared of how to get into the game then town?

Dino signed up to play, was asked if they were willing to be a replacement, said yes, opened the thread and said hello... And then nothing.

[TTTT]

Can someone please intent to hammer Marci so we can get a claim?
the clock is ticking

[Lukewarm]

@Goldie, what changed in the like 20 mins between these posts?

I'm not sure we should Eliminate Marcistar yet UNVOTE: Marcistar
--snip--
Marcistar: reasons I already described, also at the beginning they kept asking for reads but weren't contributing anything, I think that asking questions isn't scummy however it really looked like Marci was trying to look like she was pushing the game forward but not having to contribute or just looking for someone else's reads to latch onto.

However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.

And

But my current stance is we should eliminate Marci and go from there, whichever way she flips it will give us a lot of information about the game (but I do think she is scum)

Lots of questions.

Why were you certain to begin with?
What changed your mind to being uncertain?
What prodded you towards putting it back?

[Lukewarm]

this makes me doubt it's as simple as marci-goldie
seems very unlikely Goldie posts this if they are the team

Fake musing. You were never really considering marcistar/Gold. If you were I'm disappointed.

God this looks informed.

Furtive why do you have to do this to my nice town read on you

[Lukewarm]

@marci - you should probably just claim

[BigTerp]

Both these things could be perceived as scum trying to look as if they are scum reading their partner, putting votes and pressure on them but then getting nervous and moving off.

so it's scummy because I'm trying to save Marci from getting elim'd?
but it's also scummy because I'm not voting another counter wagon?
pick one

Yes. Like I said, both of these things could be perceived as scummy. But they aren't necessarily exclusive either.

[furtiveglance]

Once again, I would like Marcistar to claim and I want to bring down the hammer!

[furtiveglance]

this makes me doubt it's as simple as marci-goldie
seems very unlikely Goldie posts this if they are the team

Fake musing. You were never really considering marcistar/Gold. If you were I'm disappointed.

God this looks informed.

Furtive why do you have to do this to my nice town read on you

Informed that it's me and one of marcistar/Gold, me and TTTT, or me and someone else?

[TTTT]

Both these things could be perceived as scum trying to look as if they are scum reading their partner, putting votes and pressure on them but then getting nervous and moving off.

so it's scummy because I'm trying to save Marci from getting elim'd?
but it's also scummy because I'm not voting another counter wagon?
pick one

Yes. Like I said, both of these things could be perceived as scummy. But they aren't necessarily exclusive either.

they do seem to be contradictory
like if I'm marci's scum partner I utterly failed because I didn't push a counterwagon
if I'm the partner it would have been better to just straight bus her and let her self-hammer to avoid spew
not unvote to ensure we got some content from a replacement
my unvotes did not prevent her having to claim, as you can now see
my unvotes just delayed it

[BigTerp]

Some quick thoughts....Goldi has come into a tough spot. The third player in the slot 7+ IRL days into the game. They seem to be giving genuine reads and trying to work through the mess of 25 pages of conversations. It's going to be hard to really get a decent read on them at this point, IMO. I'm encouraged of their effort and an interested in their thoughts/reads but my focus is still elsewhere.

Marci is still the play here. Nothing has changed for me in that regard.

TTTT had drawn some attention from me yesterday, and has since made some posts that have raised my eyebrows even more. I'm on mobile currently so am not going to try and put them all here. But, like I said before, we can address TTT later as Marci is the play today. Eliminating Marci and seeing how she flips helps further shape my thoughts on TTTT.

Marci - you're at E-1. I don't think this wagon is going anywhere. Time for someone to state intent to hammer and for you to claim.

[BigTerp]

Both these things could be perceived as scum trying to look as if they are scum reading their partner, putting votes and pressure on them but then getting nervous and moving off.

so it's scummy because I'm trying to save Marci from getting elim'd?
but it's also scummy because I'm not voting another counter wagon?
pick one

Yes. Like I said, both of these things could be perceived as scummy. But they aren't necessarily exclusive either.

they do seem to be contradictory
like if I'm marci's scum partner I utterly failed because I didn't push a counterwagon
if I'm the partner it would have been better to just straight bus her and let her self-hammer to avoid spew
not unvote to ensure we got some content from a replacement
my unvotes did not prevent her having to claim, as you can now see
my unvotes just delayed it

Fair enough. But the way you played it felt like a smart scum move (not pushing for someone else) and using the excuse of hearing from a replacement. I appreciate the response and in doing so makes me need to go back and look through that progression.

[Lukewarm]

this makes me doubt it's as simple as marci-goldie
seems very unlikely Goldie posts this if they are the team

Fake musing. You were never really considering marcistar/Gold. If you were I'm disappointed.

God this looks informed.

Furtive why do you have to do this to my nice town read on you

Informed that it's me and one of marcistar/Gold, me and TTTT, or me and someone else?

Seen and not responded too.

Feels like a "if you think that was scummy, then who is my partner then" which is not a line of questioning that is particularly helpful in almost any situation imo

[Lukewarm]

BigTerps shade on TTTT for unvoting feels like a "I am suspicious of TTTT for doing the townie thing to do in this scenario."

I think TTTT is town atm, but even if I am wrong on my TTTT read, it was have likely been something done to look townie by doing a townie thing. - Not whatever scum ploy BigTerp is implying

[Lukewarm]

this makes me doubt it's as simple as marci-goldie
seems very unlikely Goldie posts this if they are the team

Fake musing. You were never really considering marcistar/Gold. If you were I'm disappointed.

God this looks informed.

Furtive why do you have to do this to my nice town read on you

Informed that it's me and one of marcistar/Gold, me and TTTT, or me and someone else?

Seen and not responded too.

Feels like a "if you think that was scummy, then who is my partner then" which is not a line of questioning that is particularly helpful in almost any situation imo

Meh, maybe I was unclear to begin with.

I formed that the scum team is not Marci+Gold -> Which implies you are scum.

The observation is completely independent from who your partner would be in that scenario.

[furtiveglance]

this makes me doubt it's as simple as marci-goldie
seems very unlikely Goldie posts this if they are the team

Fake musing. You were never really considering marcistar/Gold. If you were I'm disappointed.

God this looks informed.

Furtive why do you have to do this to my nice town read on you

Informed that it's me and one of marcistar/Gold, me and TTTT, or me and someone else?

Seen and not responded too.

Feels like a "if you think that was scummy, then who is my partner then" which is not a line of questioning that is particularly helpful in almost any situation imo

Meh, maybe I was unclear to begin with.

I formed that the scum team is not Marci+Gold -> Which implies you are scum.

The observation is completely independent from who your partner would be in that scenario.

Well I'm not informed, it's just the most obvious scumteam right now, which is never usually the case.

[Lukewarm]

Well I'm not informed, it's just the most obvious scumteam right now, which is never usually the case.

Putting a pin in this.

Have a response, but think it bad to express right this second

[marcistar]

Hey Marci, what is your read on me?

I don't have a read on you, I think you have reason as either alignment to defend me. So I tuned u out after you started being like "marci could be town but ehhhh"