*they were townie in generalIn post 4351, Yeet wrote:I don’t understand what you are saying. I never say fua was townie for me before they claimed. I said fua was towny. What I’m referring to there is he was towny in general, specifically up to their span in the game. I TR’d fua strongly after the claim and up through replaceout. I don’t see why this is a point against me.
Because imo there aren’t many objective things about this game. The whole point of mafia is a psychological guessing game. We all have different play styles and look for different things. Some of us are probably a little bit more accurate than others on average but who knows honestly.In post 4348, MalcolmTucker wrote:Why is trying to play objectively a bad way to approach the game? I'd rather that than just aimlessly going for whatever player catches your eye. Obviously there's always going to be an element of subjectivity to reads but I still expect people to then find a way to back up those reads.In post 4345, Yeet wrote:Another thing that I don’t like about Malcolm’s posting is a lot of it is based on objectiveness. He frequently gets salty about how other people who are doing “similar or worse” things are not getting as much pressure as others (namely himself). I can point to examples after work if needed.
The issue I gave with this mindset is that I feel like he is expecting people to play objectively good townplay and people who don’t match up to this standard are scum. I mean it’s not impossible that it could be a playstyle difference but his mindset still feels like he’s scum caught for the “wrong reasons”.
I'm swaying, happy to vote out VP if consensus is that's the best move but wary we don't get much from it if they come back town. Obviously would rather not be eliminated myself but at least my elimination would give back decent info when I come out as a town - who pushed and who didn't etc. I reckon there's definitely one/two mafia in the bunch currently voting me.In post 4353, Yeet wrote:Malcolm who are you going to vote? Your unvote of me without a push at this point doesn’t do anything for the gamestate.
I also think Enchant and Galron need to vote a real wagon. We are cutting it close.
I'm not sure you are town. Little for me to indicate that. Why you're my main suspect.In post 4357, Yeet wrote:Malcolm if we are both town who is scum?
Why not? April was a new player and coming in to push me was a read that would set them apart from other players in terms of read. I wasn't closely associated with any particular wagon or agenda and it didn't look like they were deflecting as such.In post 4358, Yeet wrote:Do you really think scum!April comes in and decides to push you, with only one person (me) at the time expressing real paranoia on you, and drives you as a counterwagon because he thinks he can get 9 votes on you to miselim you? That’s the kind of agenda I would have to accept in a scum!April world and it is a bit tough for me, so you can explain that maybe that will help your case? If April and VP are both town I just have a hard time seeing you as town in that regard too.
I don't tend to vote all that extensively except when absolutely needed. I've been torn between accepting VP wagon is our most viable option besides me or accepting I might go and that my town elimination will give useful info for the next turn, or trying to push another wagon like Yeet, but I don't think anyone is up for that. Will likely just stick my vote on VP later on if no alternative comes up, I'm happy enough for them to go as possible mafia, wary of what we actually get if they come back town.In post 4359, Nero Cain wrote:I mean it is ass that Malcolm isn't voting...
My first thought was that Vp was scum and Malcolm was a CW that scum Yeet and Eyes hopped on. Maybe he's scum, maybe he's not, IDK.
Cape, Titus, STD, Enchant, Galron should be moving their votes to one of those 2 wagons.
I don't think Scorpious is particularly a much worse choice as such but it'd be an incredibly, incredibly lazy wagon at this stage we don't learn much from. I'd say VP is therefore the better wagon, but if VP is town I am probably the better wagon for interesting info to be gained from my elimination.In post 4362, Yeet wrote:Malcolm not voting does seem to be a playstyle thing so I wouldn’t dock him townpoints for it. I do think he should just VP though, I’m really not sure what he’s swaying on, it seems like of the 3 wagons VP is clearly his top choice.
This is what scum pocketing Math looks like btw. He would be the number one person I'd try to pocket if I was scum and I would definitely keep him alive for awhile.In post 4324, fireisredsir wrote:ok yea i wasn't really that convinced of that being a slip, but you're right that VP's interpretation there is extremely generous to galron
If a townie gets eliminated it's useful to see who was on the wagon and when, and how that might allow us to find mafia in future turns.In post 4364, Yeet wrote:Wait what does the “wary we don’t get much” from VP’s elim mean, I don’t get it
In post 4367, Yeet wrote:I think people being pretty polarized on VPB would make it a decently high info yeet
Possibly yeah, maybe I'm not seeing it from my POV but then I appreciate others will have different views of VP and will have had a different dynamic playing with them.In post 4369, Yeet wrote:Well the person still has to claim and we have to have enough time to switch to someone else and maybe let them claim, etc
And this is a large game which is harder to coordinate a majority vote
And realistically no one is going to come with some bombshell case on someone other than scorpious, Malcolm, or VPB
If you want to, be my guest I guess
I'm interested in Fire, their play had largely felt more townie than anyone else's so far but their reads on me/you as potential teammates and switching their vote to me at the same time all felt very suspect and incoherent. Might take a dig through their ISO later.In post 4368, VP Baltar wrote:This is what scum pocketing Math looks like btw. He would be the number one person I'd try to pocket if I was scum and I would definitely keep him alive for awhile.In post 4324, fireisredsir wrote:ok yea i wasn't really that convinced of that being a slip, but you're right that VP's interpretation there is extremely generous to galron
do you disagree that you were extremely generous to galronIn post 4368, VP Baltar wrote:This is what scum pocketing Math looks like btw. He would be the number one person I'd try to pocket if I was scum and I would definitely keep him alive for awhile.In post 4324, fireisredsir wrote:ok yea i wasn't really that convinced of that being a slip, but you're right that VP's interpretation there is extremely generous to galron