Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 2-2

Somnus (1):

furtiveglance

Not Voting (6):

Mr Turtle, Somnus, PlmPestPlaY, GoldfishFromTheMoon, BigTerp, TTTT

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 22, 5:25 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-22 05:25:00)

Mod Notes:

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[furtiveglance]

Someone else vote Somnus pls

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Case on Somnus: I didn't like their initial readslist in 331, in which they had 4 of us in the null range, and I strongly disagreed with their scumread on BigTerp. They didn't really comment much

Like this.

I just read through this thread, further down the argument gets pretty deconstructed, and you yourself said that lots of town players did it anyway so I don't think this is a valid tell.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

wait why is post 704 still there I thought I deleted that quote

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Case on Somnus: I didn't like their initial readslist in 331, in which they had 4 of us in the null range, and I strongly disagreed with their scumread on BigTerp. They didn't really comment much

Like this.

I just read through this thread, further down the argument gets pretty deconstructed, and you yourself said that lots of town players did it anyway so I don't think this is a valid tell.

This post is only meant to be replying to TTTT's 721

[TTTT]

Case on Somnus: I didn't like their initial readslist in 331, in which they had 4 of us in the null range, and I strongly disagreed with their scumread on BigTerp. They didn't really comment much

Like this.

I just read through this thread, further down the argument gets pretty deconstructed, and you yourself said that lots of town players did it anyway so I don't think this is a valid tell.

I'm not gonna argue with you about it's validity
I was asked why in my experience Alianna had a newbscum entrance
this is one of the best linguistic tells you will ever find
it is a tool not the end all
and given we are now down to 2/6 scum instead of 2/8 scum I'm giving it more weight than I did at the start of the game
especially when combined with the double replacements for this slot

[TTTT]

I'm going to try and re-read the whole game tonight
in the meantime

VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon

I get that I'm voting you for things outside your control
and that's not entirely fair
but I'm playing to my wincon
feel free to convince me that I'm wrong

[furtiveglance]

A Somnus flip would aid my gamesolving more than a Goldfish flip.

[TTTT]

Alianna
do you mind getting a profile pic?
it's be easier to follow the game if we have an image to tie to your posts
also how's it feel to role scum in your first serious game?

Alianna
do you mind getting a profile pic?
it's be easier to follow the game if we have an image to tie to your posts

Done.

Alianna ignored (and deleted from the quote) my second question

[TTTT]

Hi. I'm new here. Does anyone play on epicmafia.org? I don't trust the website because you can only login with 3rd party accounts.

Well, nvm. That is a silly reason not to trust it. Only took a couple of seconds of research to find that out. Can't delete posts right?

I don't like this entrance either
it reads to me like someone who feels the need to write something but isn't sure what to say about the game so far

[furtiveglance]

I think PPP is town, I know you're seeing a Gold/PPP team. I see Somnus/Gold or Somnus/TTTT(!)

[TTTT]

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

Furtive
what information did you get out of the marci elim?

[TTTT]

I think PPP is town, I know you're seeing a Gold/PPP team. I see Somnus/Gold or Somnus/TTTT(!)

nah I think I'm moving off PPP
his day2 is solid so far

[furtiveglance]

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

Furtive
what information did you get out of the marci elim?

Not much really, they were individually the scummiest not the most informative flip. I would have preferred Somnus but they weren't getting voted.

[TTTT]

this makes me doubt it's as simple as marci-goldie
seems very unlikely Goldie posts this if they are the team

Fake musing. You were never really considering marcistar/Gold. If you were I'm disappointed.

Furtive please explain this now
why do you think I was never really considering marci/Gold?

[furtiveglance]

this makes me doubt it's as simple as marci-goldie
seems very unlikely Goldie posts this if they are the team

Fake musing. You were never really considering marcistar/Gold. If you were I'm disappointed.

Furtive please explain this now
why do you think I was never really considering marci/Gold?

That post just struck me as fake in the moment. You're a decent player and marci/Gold was the 'easiest' solve. It's never that simple

[TTTT]

well, you are wrong
there is no reason why it can't be a simple answer

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Yet it wasn't, Marci was town and so am I

[TTTT]

Furtive's initial read on Turtle looks fake:

Scratch that, I will give some very primitive reads, on order of how town I think a player is.

My biggest townread is Mr Turtle. They seem quite frank in a way that mafia might not be on day 1.

Also townlean on TTTT, seem to be trying to advance the game.

I will stay neutral on Somnus, they have said nothing about the game so far.

Lukewarm has said eww twice and nothing else, so no read.

Marci has not arrived yet - no read.

Alianna had a strange interaction with TTTT at the start, I will say no read because it wasn't really game related but could be nervous mafia or nervous town. Either way nervous

PimpPestPlay has seemed a bit blendy so far, almost like they want to be ignored in some posts. I will need more substance from them, for now it is a tentative scumlean.

BigTerp asked if I was cop in one of their first posts, which seems strange. Did they really not know I was joking about being a Rolecop? And do they really not know what the difference between Cop and Rolecop is alignment-wise? They insist on having no confusion but have given me some confusion so far. It could be that they aren't a native speaker/are new to this website/setup?
For now it's a tentative scumlean.

I didn't see it at first, but Luke did...

@Luke - your feedback on this would be helpful
I think his last reply was reasonable
but I'm open for second opinions
it's hard to step outside myself for this one

Spoiler: Y U NO PARANOID FURTIVE?

it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

Last game you townread a lot of people. This game you seem more investigative/paranoid/scumhunting.

I feel like his read on you is the less interesting one? I think you seem fairly townie as well, at least for this early in the game.

But his other town reads bother me after making such a big deal ALL GAME last game telling me that I was town reading people too easily. And then his "strongest town read" is turtle with his 3 total posts

[TTTT]

then...

TTTT, I am not paranoid because I'm not the kind of player who automatically suspects/fearvotes any player that has won as mafia against me. You honestly seem town to me this game, and that's a gut read.

Lukewarm, if you think I'm playing differently it could be because this is a new game. The first 100 posts had a more jokey/relaxed feel. You should also bear in mind that this is my second game on the site so my playstyle is not yet formed.

Marcistar, welcome to the game. Lukewarm was getting pretty restless. I see you think I'm mafia. Hopefully either 1) I can convince you otherwise or 2) You will be revealed to be evil Mafia scum! As for the defending the day 1 wagon thing, that's in the scenario that a player I think is town is being voted. If I'm leading a vote then things will be different.

Mr Turtle, yes Mafia could also be frank on day 1. It's just that you seem almost prickly/confrontational which would be risky of mafia.

Somnus does not get a scumlean from me for not saying anything game related. I don't think that would make much sense.

PimpPestPlay, what are your reads right now?

I accept BigTerp's newness as a defence for otherwise strange posts. UNVOTE: BigTerp

Go check Turtle's ISO
nothing prickly or confrontational at all

[TTTT]

UNVOTE:

I'm far from townreading BigTerp but yeah, furtive's post convinced me to at least not vote them right away.

if Goldie is scum
I don't think furtive is the partner

[TTTT]

Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.

I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)

Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.

VOTE: Somnus

this is a +scum post
putting the second vote down but denying responsibility

[TTTT]

I like Somnus' 210-214

[TTTT]

Can those that haven't given full readslists do so soon/refuse and say why not?

What are your thoughts on my readlist?

I've been townreading Alianna recently. Seems fairly chill
And PimPestPlay I'd have a bit lower down, seems very blendy/coasty, even in a self aware way. I just want more from them really

The others I'd generally agree with to a greater or lesser extent.

I like this post a lot
furtive didn't have any need to change his read of Alianna to town, against the consensus of suspicion on her

[furtiveglance]

Well mafia use townreading as a tool to get towncred, I wouldn't put much stock by it. TTTT do you townread Somnus? I have said many times they are my number one suspect.