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[VP Baltar]

Can we talk Eyes for a sec?

So Eyes in 3750 they "are willing to give Malcolm a try" and they will unvote if they don't want them. Okay? In a list they gave PRIOR to voting Malcolm (3372), Eyes puts Malcolm as almost town.

Eyes was not pushing Malcolm earlier, they were pushing April... until 3740.

The most logical progression from voting April according to 3372 for Eyes to do is not to go to Malcolm, but to go to their... actual scum leans? Like tene and Frog right?

Malcom actually saw this in 3762 and Eyes' answer to this is

really

weak 4013, just being like, "well I moved you to unsure because I merged the almost town into my nulls" which sounds like "haha I must go consensus instead of actually pushing who I feel are mafia" to me .

Eyes never unvotes Malcolm from here even though there was a good amount of time between this and the end of the day.

VOTE: Eyes without a face

Boy I sure prefer this then killing April of all people

I can maybe get behind this. Need to think on it.

[VP Baltar]

Also, your argument that I was pushing Malcolm is bullshit.

Your iso is full of you saying Malcom is a good possible lim, until it is happening, then you want nothing to do with it

[fireisredsir]

traitor can't carry out the scum teams kill

bruh

that's why i said or

if he is on the maf team, not a traitor, and did the n1 kill, yeet would have gotten a neg result bc that is how psychologist works

[Nero Cain]

but I ask Nero why, have not received a response on that.

prob b/c my responses are in various posts in here. Have I done one big post for why VP is scum? no but I think if you read my posts one can understand why I think this is scum.

[VP Baltar]

Math just hammer Malcolm. If he's town we get to go ape shit on his voters and if he's scum then we are closer to our wincon.

I still don't understand how the Malcolm wagon got to the point it did.

scum sheeping Boon was my original thought. But Malcolm hasn't done the greatest job being all hesitant to vote and being wary about hammering or shit.

part of me does just want a Malcolm flip so if he flips town like I think he will we can just like kill everyone on it b/c I bet its chock full of scum

but I think Malcolm is doing a piss poor job of making me not want to vote him b/c every time he posts but doesn't vote and talks about how wary he is just makes me not particularly care if he lives or dies.

[VP Baltar]

I'm on my phone and can't even do a proper ctrl+f.

Nero is full of shit this whole game.

[Nero Cain]

Also, your argument that I was pushing Malcolm is bullshit.

Your iso is full of you saying Malcom is a good possible lim, until it is happening, then you want nothing to do with it

I don't really remember that. I tell Math to hammer towards the end so we can finally move on and vote you and the other Malcolm voters. Meanwhile, you were sitting on what you thought was a town flip so...

[Cape90]

wait also cape obv must have realized before the flip bc vp was talking about it in the hood

???

But devils advocate

this is what gets me about VP as mafia are more aware of stuff like PR softs as they are actively looking for them. I thought that Yeet was probably just a villager who just thought they were right thing going, but it was pointed out to me by VP that Yeet was softing a PR that potentially knew that Galron was not mafia.

But my baggage with Nero is heavier as I feel like villy could easily pick up on such a thing as well so.

I thought VP looked significantly worse after the Malcolm flip, like when I was saying that I thought Malcolm had good posts, Yeet was quick to just be like "yeah but they are still mafia"

[MathBlade]

math....gal is either town or a traitor

Derp

I got the person checked backwards in my head

VOTE: VP

[VP Baltar]

Also, your argument that I was pushing Malcolm is bullshit.

Your iso is full of you saying Malcom is a good possible lim, until it is happening, then you want nothing to do with it

I don't really remember that. I tell Math to hammer towards the end so we can finally move on and vote you and the other Malcolm voters. Meanwhile, you were sitting on what you thought was a town flip so...

I just quoted you at least 4 instances of you tacitly supporting the Malcom lim. Don't tell me all the scum are on it when you backed it without voting.

And yep, I'm not going to lim myself when I can see my green role PM. How is this even an argument you're making????

[Nero Cain]

I'm on my phone and can't even do a proper ctrl+f.

Nero is full of shit this whole game.

then push me you fucking wus. You won't do it b/c you know I'm not the path of least resistance. Also, your examples in 4931 aren't pushing a Malcolm wagon.

[MathBlade]

How many normals have 3rd parties?

Asking because this is my first normal game here after all. Also because Nero seems to be discussing traitor (I have reservations with the Nero slot)

Traitor was in Yeet’s role PM.

Very fair to discuss traitor

[VP Baltar]

I'm on my phone and can't even do a proper ctrl+f.

Nero is full of shit this whole game.

then push me you fucking wus. You won't do it b/c you know I'm not the path of least resistance. Also, your examples in 4931 aren't pushing a Malcolm wagon.

Let me guess frog is a mafia PR and you're a goon.

[Cape90]

The Card Czar shuffles all of the answers and shares each card combination with the group. For full effect, the Card Czar should usually re-read the Black Card before presenting each answer. The Card Czar then picks a favorite, and whoever played that answer keeps the Black Card as one Awesome Point. After the round, a new player becomes the Card Czar and everyone draws back up to ten White Cards.

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Official Votecount 2.9

VP Baltar (6): Scorpious, tenebrousluminary, Nero Cain, Frogsterking, MathBlade, DeasVail

[E-3]

MalcolmTucker (4): April Ludgate, Eyes without a face, Yeet, fireisredsir
tenebrousluminary (1): MalcolmTucker
Enchant (1): skitter30
skitter30 (1): Enchant
Cape90 (1): Datisi
April Ludgate (1): Save the Dragons
fireisredsir (1): VP Baltar

Not Voting (1): Cape90

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2022-03-16 09:20:00).

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I also just want to point out that Malcolm was pushing tene around the time that Eyes was voting Malcolm.

You know, Malcolm pushing a supposed scumlean on Eyes' list of reads

[Nero Cain]

And yep, I'm not going to lim myself when I can see my green role PM. How is this even an argument you're making????

I never said anything like that. I said push

me!

VOTE: VP

[fireisredsir]

uhhh VP 2 of your 4 examples are just Nero saying "let's kill the scum on the malc wagon"

that proves his point not yours

[Cape90]

If the assassin is revealed, the game ends immediately with a loss for the team who identified him.

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Official Votecount 2.7

VP Baltar (5): Scorpious, tenebrousluminary, Nero Cain, Frogsterking, fireisredsir

[E-4]

tenebrousluminary (3): MalcolmTucker, Save The Dragons, MathBlade
Frogsterking (2): Yeet, VP Baltar
MalcolmTucker (1): April Ludgate
Enchant (1): skitter30
skitter30 (1): Enchant
Datisi (1): Cape90
Cape90 (1): Datisi

Not Voting (2): Eyes without a face, DeasVail

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2022-03-16 09:20:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

around here, the wagon was even somewhat viable so...

[VP Baltar]

The Card Czar shuffles all of the answers and shares each card combination with the group. For full effect, the Card Czar should usually re-read the Black Card before presenting each answer. The Card Czar then picks a favorite, and whoever played that answer keeps the Black Card as one Awesome Point. After the round, a new player becomes the Card Czar and everyone draws back up to ten White Cards.

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Official Votecount 2.9

VP Baltar (6): Scorpious, tenebrousluminary, Nero Cain, Frogsterking, MathBlade, DeasVail

[E-3]

MalcolmTucker (4): April Ludgate, Eyes without a face, Yeet, fireisredsir
tenebrousluminary (1): MalcolmTucker
Enchant (1): skitter30
skitter30 (1): Enchant
Cape90 (1): Datisi
April Ludgate (1): Save the Dragons
fireisredsir (1): VP Baltar

Not Voting (1): Cape90

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2022-03-16 09:20:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

I also just want to point out that Malcolm was pushing tene around the time that Eyes was voting Malcolm.

You know, Malcolm pushing a supposed scumlean on Eyes' list of reads

Eyes, I would like a response to this

[Nero Cain]

like VP is just throwing out random junk at this stage. He has nothing b/c he is scum and can't earnestly hunt.

[MathBlade]

Question chain for Titus/April especially but anyone who wishes to answer: is my theorizing Scum have a traitor based on Yeet flip sound? If yes, would it be likely traitor + 1 scum in the hood?

This reminds me of my busted traitor game I had where I had a hood with one scum buddy and I was traitor.

This has that “feel”.

[VP Baltar]

uhhh VP 2 of your 4 examples are just Nero saying "let's kill the scum on the malc wagon"

that proves his point not yours

Nah nah, you got to read deeper. He is saying all of thise he is fine with the Malcom flip. My point is that he is nudging things along without committing his own vote, and then coming in later and saying "I can't believe you limmed town!"

It's classic scum non commitment.


Plus I'm sure those are not even great examples. That's just me casually looking at his ISO

[fireisredsir]

why is everyone ignoring that psychologists get negative results on people who have already killed and therefore do not necessarily imply that there is a traitor

i wouldn't be THAT surprised to see a traitor but eh

[VP Baltar]

why is everyone ignoring that psychologists get negative results on people who have already killed and therefore do not necessarily imply that there is a traitor

i wouldn't be THAT surprised to see a traitor but eh

I hear you. So you are saying you want to still lim galron?

[fireisredsir]

Plus I'm sure those are not even great examples. That's just me casually looking at his ISO

they are very not great examples and you cannot say "look i proved this!" without having great examples. if you come back later with great examples then ill be more interested in what you have to say

[fireisredsir]

I hear you. So you are saying you want to still lim galron?

no lol tf

im saying that people shouldn't run crazy with the idea that there is guaranteed a traitor or that galron can only be maf if he's traitor bc neither of those things are known