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Post Post #5375 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:51 am

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In post 5374, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 5354, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5341, Save The Dragons wrote:VOTE: VP Baltar E-2
people thinking this is town.
what's your tl dr case on me specifically
It's in the first post I made today. You were in the crowd with extremely questionable votes around galron. You've also essentially stopped contributing thoughts to the game and are just doing a lot of naked votes.

But prove me wrong and provide some analysis here.
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Post Post #5376 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:54 am

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In post 5371, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5366, Frogsterking wrote:I thought Yeet lied about softs up until now when I saw their flip. My change of vote EoD off of Galron was because I read your iso and saw that you read flipped onto him making me think he was town.
I don't get how this makes sense. You think galron is town, but yeet is lying to prevent his lim????
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Post Post #5377 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:55 am

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i've been clearly on april and have explained why

i do naked votes often but if people ask i will usually explain. my vote on you was naked, if it's going to be nero vs. you, you're the one i find more scummy.

i also don't know what's up with this theory that scum all did questionable votes at the same time...like why. why doesn't it come from a town perspective? why did multiple scum people futz around lethargically with a galron wagon or whatever you're trying to say we all did
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Post Post #5378 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:00 am

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In post 5377, Save The Dragons wrote:why doesn't it come from a town perspective? why did multiple scum people futz around lethargically with a galron wagon or whatever you're trying to say we all did
As explained in my post, the why is because galron was very close to being eliminated. One vote away. And if he had died, that would leave Malcom and me alive today, two town wagons that could be argued still need resolution
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Post Post #5379 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:01 am

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Post Post #5381 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:01 am

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Post Post #5382 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:03 am

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enchant if you vote everyone scorpius can't vote again
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Post Post #5383 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:03 am

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VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)

No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.
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Post Post #5384 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:04 am

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Enchant or Dragon, have either of you ever played with Dease before?
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Post Post #5385 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:04 am

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In post 5382, Save The Dragons wrote:enchant if you vote everyone scorpius can't vote again
I can't vote everyone sadly, i only have one.
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Post Post #5386 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:05 am

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Who is Dease?
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Post Post #5387 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:05 am

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i've played survivor with DV before

if we played mafia together it's been a while
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Post Post #5388 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:08 am

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In post 5386, Enchant wrote:Who is Dease?
Don't say it...

Don't say it...
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Post Post #5389 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:09 am

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In post 5386, Enchant wrote:Who is Dease?

DEASE NUTS!!!!!

damnit...
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Post Post #5390 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:10 am

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In post 5386, Enchant wrote:Who is Dease?
This my point though
In post 5387, Save The Dragons wrote:i've played survivor with DV before

if we played mafia together it's been a while
Was there anything distinctive about their survivor game you remember?
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Post Post #5391 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:11 am

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In post 5389, Scorpious wrote:
In post 5386, Enchant wrote:Who is Dease?

DEASE NUTS!!!!!

damnit...

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Post Post #5392 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:15 am

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i mean they're really charismatic and friendly but they're also good at the game of survivor which sometimes requires you to be sneaky and lie to people. the two games have some similarities but they're fundamentally different so i'm not sure this is a helpful line of inquiry
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Post Post #5393 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:30 am

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Post Post #5394 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:31 am

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Here's the cognitive dissonance I am having...

Do I protect VP? I strongly townread VP, but don't obviously have a mech clear. Every wagon so far has landed on town. Having the same people lead should generate more town flips.

VP's points about scum feel valid. Nero Frogstar and StD are all, at a minimum alright with a VP elimination. While I lean Nero town, I don't have solid reads on the other two. The fact that no one got on the Nero wagon is something I intend to analyze.

If I lose VP, it will become pretty hard to get an accurate town core going. I would have April, but April's widely scumtead. Fire's a good sounding board but I feel is consistently wrong.

These reasons are good reasons to try and shout down a VP wagon.

However, I can't just shoot down a wagon based on what I feel when the people pushing it aren't high scum reads. While my suspect pool is largely in the back fueling my agency capture read, I must consider the possibility that I'm the one agency captured. If I don't, then I'm no better than the Math/Galron situation. I'd be doing the exact thing I told him not to do: derail reads solely due to my confidence.

That leaves with a cognitive dissonance with no good answer.
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Post Post #5395 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:35 am

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To add, I wish I could use Math as a sounding board. I am trying but when he says that if I engage everything I said I would agree it really turned me off and was disheartening. It leaves zoom room to reasonably disagree. It shows zero attempt to reconsider and makes me feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. It's possible to have town motivated reasons and be wrong. That's evidently true from the prior flips.
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Post Post #5396 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:38 am

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In post 5339, MathBlade wrote:Town doesn’t fake reads
I considered faking a Nero scumread to get a counter for VCA.
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Post Post #5397 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:39 am

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In post 5383, Frogsterking wrote:I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.
I worked to save galron. How is that me making use of him being limbat?
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Post Post #5398 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:40 am

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In post 5344, MathBlade wrote:If you have information/likelihood scum in the hood you talk about them. Force them to do things to sort them.
No. Sometimes it's better to sit and force reactions.
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Post Post #5399 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:42 am

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In post 5383, Frogsterking wrote:VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)

No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.
This makes no sense. You are stating:

1) yeet was lying about an innocent on galron, or so you perceived until today.

2) galron was town.

These facts are in direct conflict with each other. Why would yeet fake a clear on galron, if galron was town about to be eliminated?
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