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[VP Baltar]

Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?

[MathBlade]

I mean it's possible Nero could be scum playing up the pride angle. It's possible fire is chainsawing for eyes and wanting to break up me and VP working together. It's possible tene got caught reaching to not protect yeet. It's possible Enchant is not a vig and lying.

None of these things feel especially likely. Multiple need to be true in order for this to be true.

I need to reset somewhere unless all the town on VP are agency captured.

Here you are Math.

And that’s where I have a problem TRing you

You don’t have any viable narrative for a scumread

?????
I have scumreads. I fully expect one of those rare scenarios to be right but I doubt it's two or more. That doesn't mean I lack scumreads. It means I don't want to attack loud vocal, high risk, low reward people on a theory I find less likely to be accurate when there's slots doing nothing.

Since you're in favor of deep wolves, do you think any of them are sound if VP town?

I get you’re saying people are scum but there’s no

“Nero’s scum because he’s (something he is doing)”

You come really close to something but nothing feels right

How I understand your post is VP feels town
But I can’t find any scum that feel right.

One of those two things is wrong

[MathBlade]

Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?

This isn’t a marathon

[VP Baltar]

Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?

This isn’t a marathon

Never said it was

[MathBlade]

Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?

This isn’t a marathon

Never said it was

Then Nero doesn’t have to respond immediately

[fireisredsir]

So you think I'm bad if I'm town here? I hope upon my flip you reconsider that I am probably just closer to right, and to not wagon people over personality

not that you're a bad player but that you haven't played to the standard i expected. i don't think you're right. close to right, maybe? could possibly be nero, but i think cape is more likely, and it could be frog.

im not wagoning anyone over personality

[Frogsterking]

Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?

Can you do a reasonless or wall readslist? I think the ship has sailed on saving you.

I want you to answer 5425

Based solely on those two vcs, my play reads suggest Scorpious and Frogstar planting seeds the town ran with.

Scum didn't even bother with even faking a counterwagon until April shouted the wagon down. The lack of a counterwagon usually means either boned scum, bussing scum or scum that don't give a damn. Let's discuss each in turn.

VP being boned scum at that point doesn't match with what happened unless April is agency captured town. Scum don't stick their neck on the line for a partner like that. If VP was boned scum, expect at least 1 scum on the wagon and multiple if possible. The votes should be in soon after VP was exposed. I don't believe this theory, so I can't find that moment but I include it for the sake of completion.

VP being bussed is unlikely because of the gamestate. Bussing scum generally do so early.

VP town can create apathy and a lack of desire to create counterwagons. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Anything else needs a specific question.

Is this your answer to 5425? It appears to be based more on verbal reasoning than it does on VCA.

[Titus]

I mean it's possible Nero could be scum playing up the pride angle. It's possible fire is chainsawing for eyes and wanting to break up me and VP working together. It's possible tene got caught reaching to not protect yeet. It's possible Enchant is not a vig and lying.

None of these things feel especially likely. Multiple need to be true in order for this to be true.

I need to reset somewhere unless all the town on VP are agency captured.

Here you are Math.

And that’s where I have a problem TRing you

You don’t have any viable narrative for a scumread

?????
I have scumreads. I fully expect one of those rare scenarios to be right but I doubt it's two or more. That doesn't mean I lack scumreads. It means I don't want to attack loud vocal, high risk, low reward people on a theory I find less likely to be accurate when there's slots doing nothing.

Since you're in favor of deep wolves, do you think any of them are sound if VP town?

I get you’re saying people are scum but there’s no

“Nero’s scum because he’s (something he is doing)”

You come really close to something but nothing feels right

How I understand your post is VP feels town
But I can’t find any scum that feel right.

One of those two things is wrong

I can't find his wagon today is largely scum driven. The seeds were planted yesterday.

Town can and do drive wagons on town.
Take a look at your wagon versus HEM in 1254. There's 10 players voting. Unless every scum was voting you both, those were likely T v T wagons. Continuing the general pattern of T v T wagons is hardly shocking.

[Titus]

Is this your answer to 5425? It appears to be based more on verbal reasoning than it does on VCA.

VCA has it's drawbacks here. Without a scumflip, it's near impossible to determine scum objective by the VCs alone.

[MathBlade]

We know HEM and I was TVT wagons we’re both masons.

Town can and do drive wagons on town.

I just have a hard time believing it’s close to 10 times in a row.

What’s more likely is VP is scum.

[Titus]

Frogster, have you ever seen or done a VCA? I don't recall meeting you.

[VP Baltar]

So you think I'm bad if I'm town here? I hope upon my flip you reconsider that I am probably just closer to right, and to not wagon people over personality

not that you're a bad player but that you haven't played to the standard i expected. i don't think you're right. close to right, maybe? could possibly be nero, but i think cape is more likely, and it could be frog.

im not wagoning anyone over personality

Why are you defending Nero all game? It does not make any sense. Your read does not make sense on his play. He has not done anything remotely town this game.

[Frogsterking]

Is this your answer to 5425? It appears to be based more on verbal reasoning than it does on VCA.

VCA has it's drawbacks here. Without a scumflip, it's near impossible to determine scum objective by the VCs alone.

Okay I understand

[VP Baltar]

Frogster, I think you missed this question.

VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)

No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.

This makes no sense. You are stating:

1) yeet was lying about an innocent on galron, or so you perceived until today.

2) galron was town.

These facts are in direct conflict with each other. Why would yeet fake a clear on galron, if galron was town about to be eliminated?

[Frogsterking]

Frogster, have you ever seen or done a VCA? I don't recall meeting you.

Yeah we played a game together and I played a game with Math and I talked to mastina a little bit about how to do VCA.

My impression is that it loads on visual and spatial working memory.

[Titus]

We know HEM and I was TVT wagons we’re both masons.

Town can and do drive wagons on town.

I just have a hard time believing it’s close to 10 times in a row.

What’s more likely is VP is scum.

And if VP is town, we can refresh this discussion if we're both alive. I think it's genuinely hard for you to consider VP town given you'd have to face scum have been in control and it's time for a new direction. You naturally mistrust me and you're reluctant to reconsider what you feel to be strong evidence. You're a holdout juror. That's great for whichever side persuades you, but there's plenty of jury instructions warning against making up your mind too soon.

[Nero Cain]

this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

[VP Baltar]

this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

See math. He was around

[MathBlade]

We know HEM and I was TVT wagons we’re both masons.

Town can and do drive wagons on town.

I just have a hard time believing it’s close to 10 times in a row.

What’s more likely is VP is scum.

And if VP is town, we can refresh this discussion if we're both alive. I think it's genuinely hard for you to consider VP town given you'd have to face scum have been in control and it's time for a new direction. You naturally mistrust me and you're reluctant to reconsider what you feel to be strong evidence. You're a holdout juror. That's great for whichever side persuades you, but there's plenty of jury instructions warning against making up your mind too soon.

I expect to die either way.

If VP is scum April has to die. Like required
If VP is town Nero has to die like required

This is where I am at

And no I don’t want to go flip April or Nero first

[Nero Cain]

i mean, i just got home...

[MathBlade]

this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

See math. He was around

Or you know he has a life?

It’s a foreign concept to me I know

[Titus]

this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

[MathBlade]

this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day

[VP Baltar]

this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day

Titus is correct on the play though. There is no planet where Titus and I are buddies. You could claim she is scum trying to score points on my flip, but that would require admission I'm not scum.

[fireisredsir]

Why are you defending Nero all game? It does not make any sense. Your read does not make sense on his play. He has not done anything remotely town this game.

he reads like town who was thinking independently, found a read, and is confident in his read and that reads like town nero to me. scum nero i think would be have a different approach, with more appealing to others, going with the flow, ok to lim a scummy looking town like wu rather than getting paranoid about it and pushing back on the people sheeping him. i also think he's right that you're maf so i have no reason to suspect him. if you flipped town i would be more sus of him, but the other reasons im leaning more town still apply