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[Titus]

Nero had momentum. When VP voted Frogester that kills the Nero wagon and gives momentum to Frogster

Frog wasn't even in your solve. I have the same issue with both of you guys where you vote wherever the least resistance is. Also not scum reading me while voting me while I had "momentum" is disingenuous.

I didn't vote you when you had momentum. I created it by asking VP to join me. I kept it there because of momentum.

Also Frogster is in my scumpool and fits my theory that one of you/Frogster/STD is scum.

[Nero Cain]

VP, you keep saying that I should be flipped after you flip "green". Why do you think you shouldn't be flipped after pushing nothing but town?

[fireisredsir]

k well vp is either maf or so deep in the pocket that he might as well be. gee i wonder why titus wants to keep him alive

VOTE: vp

[Nero Cain]

Also Frogster is in my scumpool and fits my theory that one of you/Frogster/STD is scum.

so you are sheeping VP's theory then?

[Titus]

k well vp is either maf or so deep in the pocket that he might as well be. gee i wonder why titus wants to keep him alive

VOTE: vp

*sigh*

I can't just have an unpopular correct opinion. :/

[Eyes without a face]

OK, I can't read the next 24 pages tonight so I'll stop at the top of page 201 and resume my catch up tomorrow

[Titus]

Also Frogster is in my scumpool and fits my theory that one of you/Frogster/STD is scum.

so you are sheeping VP's theory then?

No. His theory is that you're a team.

[Nero Cain]

ok so why is one of us scum?

[Titus]

VP, I need a bit to review what you wrote.

Not a problem. It is a lot. I hate big cases like that, but it really stuck out in my notes, so I felt like this is a time I should wrote out all my thoughts.

Alright, I read most of your case. However, I don't expect all three of Nero/Frogster/Dragons to be scum. All three scum going in on an agency capture move is highly unlikely. Second, Nero is easily distractable and stubborn. He's not MathBlade levels of stubborn but still stubborn. A denial of a soft could come as much as pride rather than anything else. I don't see all three scum pushing a soft clear as they'd be boned if a flash wagon appeared. I'd look at people who pushed Galron exclusively as it was a sign they couldn't make content.

I do feel you cased DV the best in your post.

I don't like tene saying protect Math or else with an invest soft in the game.

Then there's scorpious and eyes.

The problem is I'm not left with an aggressive scum unless I am wrong somewhere.

[VP Baltar]

VP asked me to answer his questions repeatedly then ducked out when I actually did.

Your answers make no sense. My point is already proved.

You hopped on the galron wagon to push it to e-1 yesterday, stating you did so because my wagon was not viable.

At the same time, you say you were townreading galron, and that your scum read of yeet (town) was faking a clear on galron to save him because he is yolo.

At that point, just 20 mins after you say my wagon is not viable, you come up with an incredibly forced reason to call galron town and return to voting me.

Pardon me if I find this incredibly unbelievable

[MathBlade]

VOTE: unvote

I have to work Saturday and I don’t want a quick elim and I want to have fun with something other than mafia for a few hours before it all goes to crap because my dysphoria is like level 11. My opinions haven’t changed just don’t want a quick hammer

[VP Baltar]

k well vp is either maf or so deep in the pocket that he might as well be. gee i wonder why titus wants to keep him alive

VOTE: vp

Yeah, you definitely aren't the wrong one here.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: unvote

I have to work Saturday and I don’t want a quick elim and I want to have fun with something other than mafia for a few hours before it all goes to crap because my dysphoria is like level 11. My opinions haven’t changed just don’t want a quick hammer

I'd prefer if you just vote me back. I don't want to keep playing this game.

[Frogsterking]

VP asked me to answer his questions repeatedly then ducked out when I actually did.

Where did he do this?

Why are you voting no one?

Titus you CAN'T BE SERIOUS. "WHERE DID HE DO THIS?" ??? U R NOT EVEN READING VPS POSTS. U CANT BE. UR TELLING ME U MISSED ALL THIS:

I want to talk about Dease a little bit before D3 ends

Respond to my post about you and why you joined and abandoned the galron wagon.

It's actually pretty transparent why I moved my votes EoD. It does take some creativity to interpret my reason for leaving the Galron wagon in any other way.

Nope. You said you moved to galron because my wagon was not viable? Nothing changed about the viability of my wagon when you switched back.

I would like you to at least admit you switched because you didn't think galron was going to happen there. It is extremely obvious from the timing.

I would also like you to tell me who was using galron as limbait.

I thought Yeet lied about softs up until now when I saw their flip.

So you thought galron was scum still yesterday when he was at e-1 and you unvoted?

I thought Yeet lied about softs up until now when I saw their flip. My change of vote EoD off of Galron was because I read your iso and saw that you read flipped onto him making me think he was town.

I don't get how this makes sense. You think galron is town, but yeet is lying to prevent his lim????

I thought Yeet lied about softs up until now when I saw their flip. My change of vote EoD off of Galron was because I read your iso and saw that you read flipped onto him making me think he was town.

I don't get how this makes sense. You think galron is town, but yeet is lying to prevent his lim????

@frog

I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.

I worked to save galron. How is that me making use of him being limbat?

VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)

No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.

This makes no sense. You are stating:

1) yeet was lying about an innocent on galron, or so you perceived until today.

2) galron was town.

These facts are in direct conflict with each other. Why would yeet fake a clear on galron, if galron was town about to be eliminated?

Frogster, I think you missed this question.

VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)

No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.

This makes no sense. You are stating:

1) yeet was lying about an innocent on galron, or so you perceived until today.

2) galron was town.

These facts are in direct conflict with each other. Why would yeet fake a clear on galron, if galron was town about to be eliminated?

Frogster, I think you missed this question.

VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)

No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.

This makes no sense. You are stating:

1) yeet was lying about an innocent on galron, or so you perceived until today.

2) galron was town.

These facts are in direct conflict with each other. Why would yeet fake a clear on galron, if galron was town about to be eliminated?

I didn't consider fakeclaiming to be AI from them.

What?

I perceived softs to be coming in from both yeet and luminary

What????

Frog, why would yeet make a YOLO fake claim to save a town wagon from lim if he was scum, which was your stated mindset at the time. You wanted to kill yeet, iirc.

[Titus]

I don't see how that supports your position or why you're not voting him if you feel so strongly?

[Frogsterking]

VP asked me to answer his questions repeatedly then ducked out when I actually did.

Your answers make no sense. My point is already proved.

You hopped on the galron wagon to push it to e-1 yesterday, stating you did so because my wagon was not viable.

At the same time, you say you were townreading galron, and that your scum read of yeet (town) was faking a clear on galron to save him because he is yolo.

At that point, just 20 mins after you say my wagon is not viable, you come up with an incredibly forced reason to call galron town and return to voting me.

Pardon me if I find this incredibly unbelievable

THE ENTIRE PHASE 3 OF YOUR NARRATIVE IS INCREDIBLY UNBELIEVABLE. YOU ASK QUESTIONS TO FIT A NONSENSICAL NARRATIVE AND THEREFORE YOU GET ANSWERS THAT MAKE NO SENSE. I ANSWER YOUR STUPID QUESTIONS HONESTLY AND YOU SAY MY ANSWERS ARE STUPID BECAUSE I'M TOWN.

[Cape90]

Spoiler:

In this example there are two kos, which mean the black group cannot die. If white takes one ko to atari the group, black takes the other. Ultimately the black group is alive and can eventually capture white at the top. However white taking either ko is a big ko threat if any other kos break out.

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Official Votecount 3.6

VP Baltar (6): Nero Cain, fireisredsir, MathBlade, tenebrousluminary, Enchant, Save The Dragons

[E-2]

Nero Cain (2): Titus, VP Baltar
Enchant (1): Scorpious
Eyes without a face (1): Cape90

Not Voting (5): Frogsterking, DeasVail, Galron, Eyes without a face, April Ludgate

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2022-03-25 22:15:00).

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If the bent four is in the corner it actually ends up being a ko if the opponent plays there first and there aren't too many outside liberties.. In theory it's possible to keep this ko going until there is nothing big enough to respond to, so in this situation the corne is considered dead

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Official Votecount 2.8

VP Baltar (6): Scorpious, tenebrousluminary, Nero Cain, Frogsterking, fireisredsir, MathBlade

[E-3]

tenebrousluminary (2): MalcolmTucker, Save The Dragons
Frogsterking (1): VP Baltar
MalcolmTucker (1): April Ludgate
Enchant (1): skitter30
skitter30 (1): Enchant
fireisredsir (1): Yeet
Cape90 (1): Datisi

Not Voting (3): DeasVail, Eyes without a face, Cape90

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2022-03-16 09:20:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

After and before

What does this tell you Titus?

I see this and I see a lack of titus in the second VC. Kinda strange

[VP Baltar]

THE ENTIRE PHASE 3 OF YOUR NARRATIVE IS INCREDIBLY UNBELIEVABLE. YOU ASK QUESTIONS TO FIT A NONSENSICAL NARRATIVE AND THEREFORE YOU GET ANSWERS THAT MAKE NO SENSE. I ANSWER YOUR STUPID QUESTIONS HONESTLY AND YOU SAY MY ANSWERS ARE STUPID BECAUSE I'M TOWN.

Why aren't you voting me? Now is your chance.

[VP Baltar]

Cape, vote frogster

[Cape90]

Titus should be very low on your scum reads when I flip town. Like, what is her motivation here?

Yeah, you give me pause on Titus, who I thought could be scum from me reading last night. Kinda don't see them as mafia now

[Frogsterking]

vP AAPEALING TO CAPE = CAPE TOWN

[Cape90]

Frogsterking - A few questions to me. Otherwise, no real contribution.
Scorpious - Random vote on Cake and wanting to die.
Save The Dragons - Sheep and leave.
DeasVail - FoS and then VLA
Eyes without a face - Prodded said nothing
April Ludgate - Included to be fair. No real push.
Cape90 - Barely here, but he arguably could be excluded.

A good bulk of your scum are in here.

UNVOTE:

I’m Sheeping Titus..

This is my lim pool

I... AM THERE

Why did you get off me?

[Cape90]

VOTE: Nero

you sure about that lim pool?

[Frogsterking]

THE ENTIRE PHASE 3 OF YOUR NARRATIVE IS INCREDIBLY UNBELIEVABLE. YOU ASK QUESTIONS TO FIT A NONSENSICAL NARRATIVE AND THEREFORE YOU GET ANSWERS THAT MAKE NO SENSE. I ANSWER YOUR STUPID QUESTIONS HONESTLY AND YOU SAY MY ANSWERS ARE STUPID BECAUSE I'M TOWN.

Why aren't you voting me? Now is your chance.

wHY ARE U TRYING TO END THE DAY SO QUICKLY AND MKNOPOLIXE THE DISCUSSION?

[Cape90]

VP's "leadership" has netted us nothing but dead town.

I mean, come on, this is literally just scum logic

feels like Nero said this quite a bit now