Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 2-6

Mr Turtle (2)[E2]:

TTTT, BigTerp

Somnus (2)[E2]:

furtiveglance, PlmPestPlaY

GoldfishFromTheMoon (1):

Mr Turtle

Not Voting (2):

Somnus, GoldfishFromTheMoon

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 22, 5:25 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-22 05:25:00)

Mod Notes:

- GoldfishFromTheMoon was prodded.

[Mr Turtle]

Goldfish - A slot that is incredibly hedgy. I don't like 571 & 585. The first has seemingly random one-liners such as "this post freaks me out" or "I find this very interesting". Why is this progressing the game?
While ("

I don't want to take to strong a stance because I think I'm possibly wrong and I don't want to throw the game.

") not wanting to throw the game is admirable, none of their stances have been "too strong". The stance they follow up with is literally "let's eliminate the leading wagon and most widely scum-read player marcistar" with an added "(but I do think she is scum)" to assure us that they aren't trying to eliminate one of their town-reads.

They also keep on apologizing and not committing "(sorry I know you didn't want a wall of text)", "Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet)" & "so here is my explaining (and I get this sounds bad)". This just feels so awkward. "I know this looks bad but I'm going to put my vote back on Marci" -> the constant focus on "this sounds/looks bad" makes me believe that they're hyper-focusing on their image and how they need to appear towny.

577 feels eh. Especially when followed by 579. It's as if they're trying to prove "I'm not scum, watch me vote the scummiest player!".

The reads list in 583 is okay. It's nothing ground-breaking or alignment-indicative either way. I don't blame them, they subbed into end of day. But nothing new, still the same hedginess and whatever "

I visualise him as Watson from the BBC Sherlock TV show because of the profile pic, which biases me toward thinking he is town.

" is.

I get that they subbed into a difficult position, but I feel like this is more likely newb!scum than newb!town. Newb!town knows that they are 100% town and while not confident in their reads, they generally seem less worried and awkward than Goldfish here. To me this looks like Goldfish very badly wanted to get on people's good side by being apolegetic and going with the flow.

Sadly, it's late. I'll continue their ISO as soon as I can. I didn't make it past post #10 of their ISO yet, so maybe something changes. But until then VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon for the self-conscious entrance.

Goldfish, a continuation - I find posts 587 & 590 fine. I like them thinking outside the box, I dislike the hedginess. Albeit, I really don't think Somnus/PPP are a thing. 606 & 672 is also slightly +town.

765 and 766 are overly apologetic. There's a lot of "sorry for not doing this" instead of... doing it. I don't really like this.

"

I agree that people have been too quick to toweread Mr Turtle,

" from 771 (and 772). You townread me in your eighth post (583) when I was somewhat town-read by the thread. Now you write this after TTTT votes me. I feel like you're just copying the thread as opposed to come with your own reasons. There's nothing wrong with scum-reading me, but it feels ungenuine. I find myself agreeing with furtive's 793.
I just noticed that furtiveglance already covered 795 -> I like Goldie's response 797, I like the honesty. I still don't like the sheeping of TTTT. They say that my limited posting isn't the only thing they find suspicious, yet I can't find what else the reason is. There have been two flips, yes. How and why does this relate to your read on me? Without reasons it just seems like you're pocketing or sheeping TTTT.

796 "

Last time I voted someone (and I wasn't 100% sure) they turned out to be town and I don't want a repeat of that

." feels non-committing. They have yet to vote and as TTTT pointed out, that's not helping town. "I don't want to vote" is more anti-town than following your reads and voting (even if they then fliptown). So yeah, not really thrilled about that.

In this latter part of the ISO, Goldfish feels a bit more natural and less awkward/stiff in the thread. Some posts they make I actually find good. I'm not entirely convinced, though. They haven't really committed to much. To apply TTTT's opinion on me to Goldfish, they seem to be coasting. I would like to see a vote and a bit more of your thoughts, maybe some pushes.

[TTTT]

A Turtle elim isn't happening today
but this has more support

VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon

let's get Goldie to E-1 with intent and get a claim

[Mr Turtle]

Other thoughts I have on nullish players:

PPP - First and foremost never mafia with Somnus. Not really a fan of posts such as 447. One thing I noticed was their persistence, leading to large quote conversations (see 817 or 879). I feel like they're quite nit-picky, something which I have a hard time reading. It's +town to pick up on things others missed, however I feel like it's +scum to push people for smaller, details. Overall I see it as towny. Additionally, PPP's playstyle seems to be centered around asking many questions. While I see nothing wrong with this, I'm wary of it as it is an easy way for mafia to look busy. Essentially, I wouldn't be opposed to get a more analytical/reads list post from then. Doesn't have to be a wall post, but just to see where their head is at. Null-scum.

One last thing: You have said you need to take breaks from this forum/you've spend too much time on it at least twice this far. Do you mean that you feel too invested in the game, or what? (493 + 894) This isn't alignment-indicative, I'm just wondering why/if there's anything we can do to stop it.

Somnus - Had a very joke-y entrance into the game. Somnus, similarly to PPP, seems to enjoy latching on certain posts and taking a while before letting go (see BigTerp's entrance, PPP). Nothing wrong with that, per se, however scum will try to push where they can. He feels like an aggressive player in general, something which can be a great asset for town if town, but can also be detrimental if mafia. I really enjoyed 471, it reads as unfiltered thoughts. Somnus is generally not afraid to disagree with consensus (similar to Luke) and has attracted a fair share of attention on him. This is +town in my books. 492 too.

Admittedly, 676 is quite bad. "

Hell, even if you're mafia, you're at least more engaged in things now than you were early on.

" - if mafia is more engaged that is worse for town. Feels like a weird thing to say. 677 & 678 too, to some extent. I've seen town being over-defensive, but here Somnus came out D2 with a defense lined up, +scum. 798 and the push against furtive is something I feel that is consistent and again, Somnus isn't trying to go with the flow. Re: 844 why don't you think that mafia couldn't have been off of marci? Overall, I liked their D1 better than D2.

@Somnus what ever happened to 691? I'd be interested to hear your reads/thoughts again. Null until then.

I was going to cover furtive in this post as well, but I feel like that should go in a separate post that I'll get to later tonight.

[TTTT]

Frozen Angel

I see you prodded Goldfish
if she is replaced I request an extension on the end of day
thank you

[TTTT]

we should just elim Goldie now
and save another newbie from having to replace into that cursed slot
only half joking

[Somnus]

Mornin'. Reading through Turtle's posts.

[Mr Turtle]

we should just elim Goldie now
and save another newbie from having to replace into that cursed slot
only half joking

I don't think I've ever seen more than two separate players in one slot before this game, let alone potentially four.

[Somnus]

I've only been around for a couple months, but I don't think I've seen a slot have 4 players either, even in a newbie game.

[Somnus]

If TTTT was right about Alianna back on page 2, I'm sheeping until I'm dead.

[Somnus]

I wasn't cool with starting a counter-wagon on someone who had just replaced in on Day 1. We're well beyond that point though.

[Somnus]

Goldfish - A slot that is incredibly hedgy. I don't like 571 & 585. The first has seemingly random one-liners such as "this post freaks me out" or "I find this very interesting". Why is this progressing the game?
While ("

I don't want to take to strong a stance because I think I'm possibly wrong and I don't want to throw the game.

") not wanting to throw the game is admirable, none of their stances have been "too strong". The stance they follow up with is literally "let's eliminate the leading wagon and most widely scum-read player marcistar" with an added "(but I do think she is scum)" to assure us that they aren't trying to eliminate one of their town-reads.

They also keep on apologizing and not committing "(sorry I know you didn't want a wall of text)", "Tentative reads (I don't trust all these yet)" & "so here is my explaining (and I get this sounds bad)". This just feels so awkward. "I know this looks bad but I'm going to put my vote back on Marci" -> the constant focus on "this sounds/looks bad" makes me believe that they're hyper-focusing on their image and how they need to appear towny.

577 feels eh. Especially when followed by 579. It's as if they're trying to prove "I'm not scum, watch me vote the scummiest player!".

The reads list in 583 is okay. It's nothing ground-breaking or alignment-indicative either way. I don't blame them, they subbed into end of day. But nothing new, still the same hedginess and whatever "

I visualise him as Watson from the BBC Sherlock TV show because of the profile pic, which biases me toward thinking he is town.

" is.

I get that they subbed into a difficult position, but I feel like this is more likely newb!scum than newb!town. Newb!town knows that they are 100% town and while not confident in their reads, they generally seem less worried and awkward than Goldfish here. To me this looks like Goldfish very badly wanted to get on people's good side by being apolegetic and going with the flow.

Sadly, it's late. I'll continue their ISO as soon as I can. I didn't make it past post #10 of their ISO yet, so maybe something changes. But until then VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon for the self-conscious entrance.

Goldfish, a continuation - I find posts 587 & 590 fine. I like them thinking outside the box, I dislike the hedginess. Albeit, I really don't think Somnus/PPP are a thing. 606 & 672 is also slightly +town.

765 and 766 are overly apologetic. There's a lot of "sorry for not doing this" instead of... doing it. I don't really like this.

"

I agree that people have been too quick to toweread Mr Turtle,

" from 771 (and 772). You townread me in your eighth post (583) when I was somewhat town-read by the thread. Now you write this after TTTT votes me. I feel like you're just copying the thread as opposed to come with your own reasons. There's nothing wrong with scum-reading me, but it feels ungenuine. I find myself agreeing with furtive's 793.
I just noticed that furtiveglance already covered 795 -> I like Goldie's response 797, I like the honesty. I still don't like the sheeping of TTTT. They say that my limited posting isn't the only thing they find suspicious, yet I can't find what else the reason is. There have been two flips, yes. How and why does this relate to your read on me? Without reasons it just seems like you're pocketing or sheeping TTTT.

796 "

Last time I voted someone (and I wasn't 100% sure) they turned out to be town and I don't want a repeat of that

." feels non-committing. They have yet to vote and as TTTT pointed out, that's not helping town. "I don't want to vote" is more anti-town than following your reads and voting (even if they then fliptown). So yeah, not really thrilled about that.

In this latter part of the ISO, Goldfish feels a bit more natural and less awkward/stiff in the thread. Some posts they make I actually find good. I'm not entirely convinced, though. They haven't really committed to much. To apply TTTT's opinion on me to Goldfish, they seem to be coasting. I would like to see a vote and a bit more of your thoughts, maybe some pushes.

I can't say I really disagree with any of this.

[Somnus]

Alright.

VOTE: Goldfish

[Somnus]

E-1. Sorry. Should have made that clear. ^

[furtiveglance]

I stated before that in my mind the pair is either Somnus/Gold or Somnus/TTTT. Now TTTT is voting anyone but Somnus and they are voting together....not a fan. I am still desperate for a Somnus elimination. My scum radar is still forming but it hasn't gone off like this before. Posts 910 and 911 are so passive. This is a player trying to hide and self-justify, not scumhunt. BigTerp help me force through a Somnus vote please.

[Somnus]

I can't see Somnus and PPP as a pair. The mafia team is therefore Somnus/GoldfishFromtheMoon, or PPP/Goldfish.

This you?

[BigTerp]

We've got three votes outstanding. I'd like to see some movement from them, or where votes are currently, to get some more discussions going. Things seem to have gotten stale pretty quickly. For me, that's usually a sign that scum is comfortable where things are.

Never elim BigTerp

if he is scum he deserves to win
but he isn't scum

What makes you so certain?

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Aahh no
I've been really busy and away from the thread and now I come back and I'm at e-1.

It seems you want a claim. Unfortunately I don't have a compelling argument to save myself I'm just a vanilla townie. Please don't make the mistake of eliming throught that.

Multiple people have stated that me not voting is anti town, I think it's more anti town to accidentally put a vote on another town player which is why I haven't voted yet because I want to be pretty sure.



And something else.

Turtle: I like posts 901 and 903 the logic seems reasonable and I can understand the thought process. I didn't like 871, turtles main reason for scumreading me is because I seemed apologetic and self conscious, however surely newbie scum would be aware that being self conscious is scummy because mafia are inherently aware of their image and want to look town, so would try not to look that way(self conscious). I'm moving them more into the null range but still really undecided.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I stated before that in my mind the pair is either Somnus/Gold or Somnus/TTTT. Now TTTT is voting anyone but Somnus and they are voting together....not a fan. I am still desperate for a Somnus elimination. My scum radar is still forming but it hasn't gone off like this before. Posts 910 and 911 are so passive. This is a player trying to hide and self-justify, not scumhunt. BigTerp help me force through a Somnus vote please.

I potentially agree with this. It's interesing or at least worth a thought.

[BigTerp]

If we get to the point of having to replace goldfish, I'm 100% behind an elimination there before replacement. I don't think I can handle yet another replacement in that same slot.

If not, my previous wagon(s) I still stand behind.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

If we get to the point of having to replace goldfish, I'm 100% behind an elimination there before replacement. I don't think I can handle yet another replacement in that same slot.

If not, my previous wagon(s) I still stand behind.

Don't worry, you won't have to replace me I'm back.

[BigTerp]

In all seriousness, I think we need a Somnus vote today rather than a Turtle vote. Turtle is very town to me. I can see Somnus/Gold or maybe Somnus/TTTT. BigTerp and Turtle pls vote for Somnus if you think I am town

I'm not convinced your town. However, I have Somnus on both of my "wagon lists". I could be convinced to go there versus turtle. It would certainly help clear some things up in my eyes in regards to you.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Unofficial votecount
(Thought this might help)

Goldfishfromthemoon: (3) (Mr Turtle, TTTT, Somnus)
Somnus: (2) (furtiveglance, PImpPestPlaY)
Mr Turtle: (1) (bigterp)

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Oops I forgot to add not voting, which is just me

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I gotta go to bed now.

I'll post more thoughts and probably a vote in the morning.

Pls don't elim me before I can say more.