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[MathBlade]

I am kinda wondering if Titus is scum and buddying (or scum with) VP and she knows how many scum there are and that’s a scum slip from Tene and Tene thinks Galron is traitor

Help stuck in paranoia loop.

[Nero Cain]

Titus is scum yes.

[VP Baltar]

he's done nothing but push town (Fua possibly notwithstanding)

Again with the misrep unless you magically know alignments of: frog, fire, cape, STD, etc.

You can talk shit all day because you haven't actually joined any wagons. It's such a scum play. Town players are always going to be wrong early game, and personally, I would rather put my votes on wagons that I think are going to advance the game than I am to have it nowhere and snipe at people. That's shit I'd do as scum.

[MathBlade]

Titus is scum yes.

It’s the rest I am concerned about.

[Cape90]

fire can you reevaluate that world but with Galron as town and tell me what that looks like?

like all of galron/vp/malc town? then scum are probably inactive and apathetic lol. maybe like deas eyes cape titus or something, idk

I would hardly call Dead/Titus apathetic LMAO

[VP Baltar]

I am kinda wondering if Titus is scum and buddying (or scum with) VP and she knows how many scum there are and that’s a scum slip from Tene and Tene thinks Galron is traitor

Help stuck in paranoia loop.

Math, I will actually help you if you want to work with me. You're getting rolled by Nero though.

[MathBlade]

I am kinda wondering if Titus is scum and buddying (or scum with) VP and she knows how many scum there are and that’s a scum slip from Tene and Tene thinks Galron is traitor

Help stuck in paranoia loop.

Math, I will actually help you if you want to work with me. You're getting rolled by Nero though.

I don’t think that’s the case.

I think you’re wrong on Nero whatever you’re alignment

Nero’s the least likely scum in the hood

[VP Baltar]

Nero’s the least likely scum in the hood

Ok, convince me of that. Why?

[VP Baltar]

Preferably with an explanation of why Nero is playing the game he is that is doing nothing

[MathBlade]

Nero’s the least likely scum in the hood

Ok, convince me of that. Why?

He thinks you’re scum and is pushing you?

I mean I don’t know how you TR people so I don’t know how to convince you

Especially since I don’t even know if you will be convinced.

I am pretty sure it’s a 1v1 and you’re more likely scum than Nero

[fireisredsir]

I think he reconsidered on me at a time when he could have easily just pushed me as scum.

Weren't you in the people who shouted me down when I was scum reading his wu hammer?

yea i was, i thought his stream of consciousness case on you was towny cause he does that all the time as town. but he's kinda been coasting on that and most of his posts after that feel either more constructed or they're just making small catchup comments and questions. like his posts make too much sense and he's just kinda floating around. thats scum cape

and i thought his reconsidering on you was actually kinda scummy, cause as someone who thought you were scum around the same time he did, I do not think you started looking more towny at the time he said you did. but maf wouldn't know that, they'd just see you posting a lot and figure you're probably making yourself obvtown.

[fireisredsir]

UNVOTE:

if vp is willing to work with us here

[tenebrousluminary]

Disagree with my VP and Galron reads fine

But there’s no way in a 19 P game
Scum have 2 masons with unseen communication
4 players with unseen communication
And a cop
And a vig

That’s a never passing review.

So scum has to be in that hood.

I have never seen anyone ascribe so much power to neighbors.

[Cape90]

cape

Why cape over galron?

dude keeps sniping @ me but is ignoring my comments and it sorta feels like he's just active lurking in this game. I felt like he's not scum b/c you are sorta buddying him in the hood. I know that Yeet said its not a clear inno but I'm putting maybe a little stock in it being an inno but you aren't flipping town so moot point.

Why would that make me

not

scum

So scum is buddying you and I should think you are still scum? ok

You see, you live in this narrow minded world to where something that could be perceived as arguably more scummy then what VP has done for... most of the game but you shrug it off because VP is just mafia to you and I am not.

I have had this thought for basically forever, but man if I was mafia this game would be so mega easy.

If you flip town Nero, I literally get like 2 clear mafia out of it.

If VP flips town, no not really.

I think you have the higher chance of flipping mafia just on the virtue of you kinda just seeming to underplay things

[VP Baltar]

Nero’s the least likely scum in the hood

Ok, convince me of that. Why?

He thinks you’re scum and is pushing you?

I mean I don’t know how you TR people so I don’t know how to convince you

Especially since I don’t even know if you will be convinced.

I am pretty sure it’s a 1v1 and you’re more likely scum than Nero

Ok, right. See that from my perspective in where I'm town, and you can see how I think he is not actually doing anything this game.

Who else is he truly pushing? What has he shown progression on in his thoughts toward the game? What utility has he provided to town?

And it doesn't matter how I TR people. I'm asking you to explain your perspective to me and I will approach it with as open of a mind as possible. Keep in mind that I did try to maintain a town view of Nero for a LONG time, despite his play toward me.

The issue I have hit is that the galron clear is more likely to be true than not, and cape looks more town than Nero. That's difficult for me to see past, so I'd like your perspective on his play (not setup mech).

[VP Baltar]

Cape, can we get a full readslist from you?

[tenebrousluminary]

Oh, so Galron is scum. Lol.

???

The speculation about numbers makes me think there's a traitor, and he fits the bill.

[VP Baltar]

Nero’s the least likely scum in the hood

Ok, convince me of that. Why?

He thinks you’re scum and is pushing you?

I mean I don’t know how you TR people so I don’t know how to convince you

Especially since I don’t even know if you will be convinced.

I am pretty sure it’s a 1v1 and you’re more likely scum than Nero

Ok, right. See that from my perspective in where I'm town, and you can see how I think he is not actually doing anything this game.

Who else is he truly pushing? What has he shown progression on in his thoughts toward the game? What utility has he provided to town?

And it doesn't matter how I TR people. I'm asking you to explain your perspective to me and I will approach it with as open of a mind as possible. Keep in mind that I did try to maintain a town view of Nero for a LONG time, despite his play toward me.

The issue I have hit is that the galron clear is more likely to be true than not, and cape looks more town than Nero. That's difficult for me to see past, so I'd like your perspective on his play (not setup mech).

Fire, you're welcome to address this as well. I'm really trying my best here despite being burned many times this game.

[Nero Cain]

he's done nothing but push town (Fua possibly notwithstanding)

Again with the misrep unless you magically know alignments of: frog, fire, cape, STD, etc.

You can talk shit all day because you haven't actually joined any wagons. It's such a scum play. Town players are always going to be wrong early game, and personally, I would rather put my votes on wagons that I think are going to advance the game than I am to have it nowhere and snipe at people. That's shit I'd do as scum.

it's not a misrep b/c Wu and Malcolm ARE dead town. I'm also town. Both Math and HEM are town. I'm also not a fan of your downplaying how bad you've been. I mean, yes town will often be wrong. That's common sense. But it's not like players get a 2 day grace period. Scum are often flipped d1/d2 so its not like "town will always be wrong" You are giving yourself an out and its both wrong and scummy.

I haven't been shit with my votes b/c I was more than willing to run-up you or Gal yesterday. Gal didn't happen b/c of a light inno and you didn't happen b/c a buncha baddies got the Malcolm wagon to go over you instead. I didn't join Malcolm b/c I thought he was town and I don't think his flip advanced the game for town.

I'm voting you now. I'd be willing to vote Titus as well but I still think you should be voted out.

[Nero Cain]

I think he is not actually doing anything this game.

see there's no way you actually believe this.

[Nero Cain]

I think you have the higher chance of flipping mafia just on the virtue of you kinda just seeming to underplay things

If your argument is that you are town that means that I am correctly reading you and VP so...are you actully arguing that I'm wrong and that you are scum?

[Titus]

Maybe there is a shot to lim scum today fire.

[fireisredsir]

Ok, right. See that from my perspective in where I'm town, and you can see how I think he is not actually doing anything this game.

Who else is he truly pushing? What has he shown progression on in his thoughts toward the game? What utility has he provided to town?

if nero thinks your maf then i think he is playing just like how i would expect town nero to. from what ive read, town nero tbh isn't very high utility to town except that he has p good reads sometimes. but he just kinda sits there and yells that his reads are maf. he's independent and doesn't really work with people, and he is very stubborn and hard to move. but maf nero does work with people, he compromises, he tries to appeal, and he takes the easy mislims when he can.

he also does have other reads, he thinks titus is maf (which is +++town nero btw), he's talked about his opinions on the progression of game state with malc, galron, april, titus, and others

[fireisredsir]

Maybe there is a shot to lim scum today fire.

please, go on

[VP Baltar]

he's done nothing but push town (Fua possibly notwithstanding)

Again with the misrep unless you magically know alignments of: frog, fire, cape, STD, etc.

You can talk shit all day because you haven't actually joined any wagons. It's such a scum play. Town players are always going to be wrong early game, and personally, I would rather put my votes on wagons that I think are going to advance the game than I am to have it nowhere and snipe at people. That's shit I'd do as scum.

it's not a misrep b/c Wu and Malcolm ARE dead town. I'm also town. Both Math and HEM are town. I'm also not a fan of your downplaying how bad you've been. I mean, yes town will often be wrong. That's common sense. But it's not like players get a 2 day grace period. Scum are often flipped d1/d2 so its not like "town will always be wrong" You are giving yourself an out and its both wrong and scummy.

I haven't been shit with my votes b/c I was more than willing to run-up you or Gal yesterday. Gal didn't happen b/c of a light inno and you didn't happen b/c a buncha baddies got the Malcolm wagon to go over you instead. I didn't join Malcolm b/c I thought he was town and I don't think his flip advanced the game for town.

I'm voting you now. I'd be willing to vote Titus as well but I still think you should be voted out.

There are so many obvious issues with this, including your own pushes of wu and Malcom.

But here is a pretty notable problem: yeet and Math, two confirmed town, were also on both those wagons. People being wrong and backing wagons pragmatically, in the case of Math's hammer or my own vote on Malc, does not indicate scum. This is why I'm saying the narrative you are pushing is incredibly basic and incredibly scummy.