First off, some stuff I forgot to mention last time.
Incog wrote:I'll try and take it as a slight pro-town sign that you've called me of all people out on certain things when I've pretty much had absolutely nothing directed at me and have been finding myself trying to create my own content to get involved in.
This is manipulative and scummy.
In case anyone doesn't see what's going on here, in this quote Incog responds to lullaby's attack with "You're wrong to suspect me, but it's pro-town of you to pressure someone taking as little heat as I am." This isolates lullaby's view as minority and dismisses his attack by reminding everybody that no one is particularly suspicious of Incog otherwise. It also does some very subtle buddying, portraying Incog as a nonthreat or ally to lullaby, making him less likely to pursue Incog in the future, if it works. I've used this tactic to great effect as scum.
If this were representative of your total response to lullaby, I'd be voting for you.
RR wrote:"damn, made a mistake. Guess I'll apologize it away"
Not quite how I'd phrase it, but the sentiment is very close to accurate. How is this scummy?
Skillit wrote:Sthar8 knows me better than anyone on this site and i think he knew i was just kidding, even if nobody else did.
Yes, and yes.
Skillit wrote:the fact that he only spoke about the relevance of what i was saying, and never taking it either way (scum / town) seems like intentional aversion to the subject.
Partly. The other part is that my read on you is not strong yet, so I'm not going to do any defending for you.
Skillit wrote:its not at all like him to avoid topics of major discussion (which i think those from all camps can agree this was at least), so his doing so seems a little questionable.
Yes, and yes. There is a reason.
Now, let's talk about this:
Incog wrote:I think sthar8, Electra, and to a lesser extent TDC should at least justify why they feel their votes are on the best wagon at this current time.
First, I will acknowledge that I know Skillit fairly well. His opening mentions on Electra are analogous to a vote for being his scumpartner in the last game. Without speaking to motive, I can clearly state from experience that the sections that have been referred to as accusations were intended as humor, evidenced by their wildly dramatic and vague nature, as well as the lack of true support. The discussion on Electra's theory, however, was genuine, though I doubt he intended to imply that what he saw as logical flaws make her scum. That being said, I do not have a solid read on Skillit at this time. His behavior so far has been non-indicative.
Unvote
My vote on Skillit remained not because I thought he was scummy, but because I felt that the information gained from the wagon was useful. I figured that Skillit would look like an easy wagon at this point, and that regardless of his alignment, we'd likely catch some scum tagging along. I was also entertaining a very slight hope that someone would forget about the unique lynching mechanics and drop a poorly reasoned false hammer, catching out scum on the first day.
I don't see any waffling that would be indicative of a partner deciding to bus, but Crazy's poorly justified and lately applied vote highlights his other behavior, which is a shining beacon of scumminess.
In his first substantial post, Crazy notes his own inactivity and blames it on a lack of interest in the game so far, which is a weak indicator of scum in my experience so far, since early day 1 is about as boring for scum as you can get. They have no major objective other than avoiding attention and getting closer to night, and since they have no need to create any serious content, their boredom often manifests as indifference and apathy to whatever is going on.
He continues on to express suspicion of
four
other players, without providing any reasoning on two of them. I cannot think of any reason for both variety
and
inconsistancy unless he's just looking for an easy wagon. Note that Crazy's vote does go to the wagon that is the largest at this point.
He then encourages us not to worry about boosting scum, expresses unsupported suspicions of two apparently unconnected players, and buddies up to eldarad before signing off.
Was there anything protown about that post?
Vote: Crazy
At the risk of being accused of OMGUS, I'd say that RR is my number two suspect. Leeching, buddying, and bullshitting the town, with the latter two demonstrated clearly in his last post. I'd like to point out that the first of his examples of an acceptable response is effectively identical to the one I provided, except in phrasing, and that the second would have involved lying to the town.
iLord is a distant third, due to a mechanics issue, but i'm going to withhold substantial judgement until we've got some more content from him. Nobody else is far behind iLord on my scumlist.
I'll break with personal pattern for this game and say that I think Electra is the most townie, because of the corroboration her gambit provided to my theories about the setup.
