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Official Votecount 3.10

VP Baltar (4): Nero Cain, tenebrousluminary, Save The Dragons, Frogsterking

[E-4]

DeasVail (2): Titus, Scorpious
Nero Cain (2): Cape90, VP Baltar
Save the Dragons (1): Enchant
Frogsterking (1): Eyes without a face

Not Voting (5): DeasVail, Galron, fireisredsir, April Ludgate, Mathblade

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2022-03-25 22:15:00).

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[Eyes without a face]

All caught up (unless new posts while I'm composing this)

Current reads:
[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]Aristeia/April Ludgate
[*]fua/Enchant, [*]Nero Cain, [*]VP Baltar
[*]fireisredsir, [*]DeasVail, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90
[*]Scorpious
[*]Datisi/Titus
[*]Frogsterking, [*]tenebrousluminary

[April Ludgate]

Okay, before I call it, gonna do a reads list

Titus
Fire

Nero
Scorpious
Enchant
STD

Eyes without a face
DeasVail
Galron

_____

tenebrousluminary

Cape

Frogsterking
VP Baltar

Now, I think Cape has a similar amount of equity as scum as VPB/Frog, however, if VPB is scum, I don't think Cape is. If VPB is town, I think Cape is scum.

Tenebrous is almost coming down to POE scum.

I don't really see the point of Frogster saying that line he did as scum with VPB town.

There's likely a scum, 2 if we're living in the Cape scum world, and I think the lower on my 3 townie tiers they are, the more likely they are to be scum. I don't think it's Titus or Fire.

Currently my guess would be the DV slot.

[fireisredsir]

what changed from yesterday where you were saying VP was def town?

[tenebrousluminary]

All caught up (unless new posts while I'm composing this)

Current reads:
[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]Aristeia/April Ludgate
[*]fua/Enchant, [*]Nero Cain, [*]VP Baltar
[*]fireisredsir, [*]DeasVail, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90
[*]Scorpious
[*]Datisi/Titus
[*]Frogsterking, [*]tenebrousluminary

So where has your me push been since forever?

Okay, before I call it, gonna do a reads list

Titus
Fire

Nero
Scorpious
Enchant
STD

Eyes without a face
DeasVail
Galron

_____

tenebrousluminary

Cape

Frogsterking
VP Baltar

Now, I think Cape has a similar amount of equity as scum as VPB/Frog, however, if VPB is scum, I don't think Cape is. If VPB is town, I think Cape is scum.

Tenebrous is almost coming down to POE scum.

I don't really see the point of Frogster saying that line he did as scum with VPB town.

There's likely a scum, 2 if we're living in the Cape scum world, and I think the lower on my 3 townie tiers they are, the more likely they are to be scum. I don't think it's Titus or Fire.

Currently my guess would be the DV slot.

What did I do to go from your top read to scum?

How can you or anyone possibly pair me with VP?

[April Ludgate]

what changed from yesterday where you were saying VP was def town?

I was wrong on Malcolm, Frogster made that comment, and VPB's level of town read on Cape.

[April Ludgate]

All caught up (unless new posts while I'm composing this)

Current reads:
[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]Aristeia/April Ludgate
[*]fua/Enchant, [*]Nero Cain, [*]VP Baltar
[*]fireisredsir, [*]DeasVail, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90
[*]Scorpious
[*]Datisi/Titus
[*]Frogsterking, [*]tenebrousluminary

So where has your me push been since forever?

Okay, before I call it, gonna do a reads list

Titus
Fire

Nero
Scorpious
Enchant
STD

Eyes without a face
DeasVail
Galron

_____

tenebrousluminary

Cape

Frogsterking
VP Baltar

Now, I think Cape has a similar amount of equity as scum as VPB/Frog, however, if VPB is scum, I don't think Cape is. If VPB is town, I think Cape is scum.

Tenebrous is almost coming down to POE scum.

I don't really see the point of Frogster saying that line he did as scum with VPB town.

There's likely a scum, 2 if we're living in the Cape scum world, and I think the lower on my 3 townie tiers they are, the more likely they are to be scum. I don't think it's Titus or Fire.

Currently my guess would be the DV slot.

What did I do to go from your top read to scum?

How can you or anyone possibly pair me with VP?

there's a reason you're in that tier. You feel like almost POE scum to me, there were a few of your comments I didn't like that felt agenda pushy this day phase.

Gamestates generally change after a new day because the game plays with more information.

Malcolm flipping town, but I still feel that Frogster-Malcolm-Tene triangle had scum energy within it.

[tenebrousluminary]

I wonder if April expected me to town her forever for white knighting me and is flipping because it didn't work.

[April Ludgate]

Purple and Pink tier are pretty close to each other, it's really just your attachment to that triangle.

[April Ludgate]

I wonder if April expected me to town her forever for white knighting me and is flipping because it didn't work.

A decent wonder, I'd say.

[tenebrousluminary]

I dont think you get to put VP scum for being a CW to a wagon you started.

[VP Baltar]

Having an incorrect read is not the same as a terrible read.

correct. His reads are confirm biased and poorly reasoned.

What are your bulletpoint reasonings for FrogsterScum?

- He voted camped Yeet D1 forever until I started pushing him. This is very unusual to me because I just finished a game with Frogster where he was wild ass voting everyone in the game as town with tinfoil theories. Here, he is timid and afraid to move his vote around.
- The only pushes he has made all game have bene Fua/Enchant, Yeet, Galron and myself. I know I'm town. I know Yeet is town. I think it's highly likely Galron is town. Those are the safe bets, too. Not looking good.
- His reasoning around the Galron wagon yesterday does not hold up to scrutiny. (There is a fairly in depth analysis of this in my big post opening the day, and follow up questioning of Frogster today).

[tenebrousluminary]

Purple and Pink tier are pretty close to each other, it's really just your attachment to that triangle.

What attachment lol

I have interacted with Frog like literally never.

[April Ludgate]

I dont think you get to put VP scum for being a CW to a wagon you started.

Malcolm wagon came after VPB wagon, VPB wagon just lost steam and picked up steam around it.

[April Ludgate]

Purple and Pink tier are pretty close to each other, it's really just your attachment to that triangle.

What attachment lol

I have interacted with Frog like literally never.

Wasn't your doing.

One of my main scum energy vibe checks was from Frogster calling you and Malcolm TvT, and I've brought up that multiple times. This was early day 2.

[fireisredsir]

i think i would slightly prefer cape to VP at the moment

[April Ludgate]

Having an incorrect read is not the same as a terrible read.

correct. His reads are confirm biased and poorly reasoned.

What are your bulletpoint reasonings for FrogsterScum?

- He voted camped Yeet D1 forever until I started pushing him. This is very unusual to me because I just finished a game with Frogster where he was wild ass voting everyone in the game as town with tinfoil theories. Here, he is timid and afraid to move his vote around.
- The only pushes he has made all game have bene Fua/Enchant, Yeet, Galron and myself. I know I'm town. I know Yeet is town. I think it's highly likely Galron is town. Those are the safe bets, too. Not looking good.
- His reasoning around the Galron wagon yesterday does not hold up to scrutiny. (There is a fairly in depth analysis of this in my big post opening the day, and follow up questioning of Frogster today).

I'm seeing it now. I'll look into possibilities with VPB town/Frogster scum.

@VPB - Can you do this for your Cape read too?

[April Ludgate]

i think i would slightly prefer cape to VP at the moment

I might be there too. I wanna see VPB's townCape case, though

[fireisredsir]

can you give me your town titus case, april? i don't see it

[VP Baltar]

Titus
Fire

Nero
Scorpious
Enchant
STD

Eyes without a face
DeasVail
Galron
_____

tenebrousluminary

Cape

Frogsterking
VP Baltar

the placement of your STD and galron reads do not make sense.

Nor does this wild ass Frogster/VP buddy theory, but fine by me if you want to put a frogster vote down.

[April Ludgate]

I don't like to see players being rude to one another.

Ari wagon is almost certainly pure IMO. I'm less confident that Wu's is and so many people pushing him now that others are getting suspicion makes me wary.

Who is doing this? Wu does not have many votes.

Ari, Deas, and Fire are all putting Wu in their scumreads, Yeet and Skitter are trying to push a wagon on me, and VP is directly staying on Wu still (even if he's the one I least suspect out of the six).

Hot damn, Deas/Fire/my slot were connected all the way back here.

So looking into this slot a bit more, as it's one I need more analysis on, Yeet town/Skitter-galron town pushing Fua, if you see Galron as town, then Fua could be a scum slot. This was a vig claim, correct? and we havent had any vig shots? If scum are informed of Psychologist, this could have been a setup. Hmm. Who is GeneralWu slot?

[Nero Cain]

Wu is dead town

[April Ludgate]

can you give me your town titus case, april? i don't see it

Titus has made a lot of anti-scum agenda moves, actively going against Math at the expense of getting pushed.

I was scum once, who spent everything I had in the game to pocket Titus, Math was scum, and they had pretty much the exact same dynamic. Took me a bit longer to see it here because I'm not coming from the same perspective, but it seems like they are in the same situation.

Also, Titus was one that was pushing VPB-Nero as possible TvT, which I can see as a possibility, because Cape can be scum.

Titus, as scum who jumped on Malcolm late game, has no reason to defend me the way they have, if anything they had the perfect out to get pressure onto me. I guess it's possible they could try to pocket me, but I have essentially agreed with most of Titus' thoughts on the game, even if they're a little bit different than mine.


@VPB - what doesnt make sense about Galron, he's basically right in the middle.

[April Ludgate]

Cape, Frogster, tene, Enchant is a possibility.

I'm really not worried about #3 and #4, though, i'm just filling those in since they come to my mind.

[VP Baltar]

@VPB - Can you do this for your Cape read too?

My main reasons for thinking cape!town are:

- His "case" on me from D2 was so stream of consciousness and poorly formed, I have a hard time seeing scum type that up and being like "yes, this is persuasive!"
- He flipped to town reading me D2 at a point when pushing me would have been a much easier scum play and probably helped secure my lim. He similarly was not sold on Galron at E-2 to E-1 range. Again, I don't see much advantage to this as scum beyond a vague effort toward town points. (though if all three wagons at that point were town, maybe that's a good time to score town points?)
- He didn't really pump up the Nero/VP fight in the hood since early game, and has questioned us both pretty fairly I would say.


I don't think this is a slam dunk town case, but like I said before, PoE points much more to Nero here than Cape. I could be wrong, but Nero's arguments with me all game have been so bad faith it is truly difficult to see him as town. Clearing him on amorphous meta reads ain't really gonna do it for me.