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[Titus]

Then again, it's whatever, Enchant is their own person.

[MathBlade]

in what world does someone who says she will vote anyone to save VP
who says she has him as her strongest TR
who literally has zero attempts to solve cape's slot in her iso, just a couple mentions of a townlean

in what world does that person vote VP over cape here

The main issue is Titus scum + Cape is making more sense than Titus + VP

Ugh I hate the fact I feel like I am sheeping you and I don’t know why I hate it

[Titus]

in what world does someone who says she will vote anyone to save VP
who says she has him as her strongest TR
who literally has zero attempts to solve cape's slot in her iso, just a couple mentions of a townlean

in what world does that person vote VP over cape here

The main issue is Titus scum + Cape is making more sense than Titus + VP

Ugh I hate the fact I feel like I am sheeping you and I don’t know why I hate it

So you've changed your mind? Is that solely because I resigned and voted VP with you or because you're just actively opposing whatever I say I'll do.

[Titus]

Because my concern is that we vote Cape, April gets vigged, then we vote VP and we just lose.

[MathBlade]

in what world does someone who says she will vote anyone to save VP
who says she has him as her strongest TR
who literally has zero attempts to solve cape's slot in her iso, just a couple mentions of a townlean

in what world does that person vote VP over cape here

The main issue is Titus scum + Cape is making more sense than Titus + VP

Ugh I hate the fact I feel like I am sheeping you and I don’t know why I hate it

So you've changed your mind? Is that solely because I resigned and voted VP with you or because you're just actively opposing whatever I say I'll do.

No. It’s more I think you’re scum and I can’t figure you out and recent posting makes other theories viable

You + VP and you bussing is also possible

I’d rather elim you but elimming in the hood is better in case you’re Steven Universing it

[MathBlade]

Because my concern is that we vote Cape, April gets vigged, then we vote VP and we just lose.

Then we lose as a town.

[Titus]

*shrug*

I'll just trust Enchant will shoot in my scumpool.

Tell me which person to vote.

[MathBlade]

You can literally sub any elim in that vacuous statement

[MathBlade]

*shrug*

I'll just trust Enchant will shoot in my scumpool.

Tell me which person to vote.

Whoever April votes

[Titus]

You can literally sub any elim in that vacuous statement

Huh?

[Titus]

*shrug*

I'll just trust Enchant will shoot in my scumpool.

Tell me which person to vote.

Whoever April votes

So you're sheeping your scumread?

[Titus]

VOTE: Cape

Whatever, this game is lost.

[MathBlade]

You can literally sub any elim in that vacuous statement

Huh?

We elim x, vig y, elim Z the game is lost.

X y and z if all town same statement

[fireisredsir]

like anyone who is town, I beg you, read through this progression and tell me that comes from town. this is scum titus who is BEGGING for a vp flip despite her saying that she will vote anyone else to save him and that she strongly townreads him. she even asked eyes, one of her strongest scumreads at the time, to vote with her on VP to end the day. how do y'all not see this

Spoiler: titus

Titus you voted VP yesterday, what's making you not want to vote him today?

My VP vote was not based on his play but based on in thread events and prior wagons. Now that I'm invested, I'm voting on play.

Fire tene and myself surely all can’t be “agency captured”.

Why do you feel this way?

Where is the cognitive dissonance?

Is it simply you TR VP?

I answered the cog dis above.

I feel strongly that VP is town. While I doubt you're all agency captured, you are led astray. When you post things that don't jive with my read of the thread, we need to figure out who is wrong if they are agency captured or scum.

Why Cape? Does it not bother anyone that I am the only person tring vp?

It’s starting from facts namely if you’re town every wagon D1 was on town
If VP is town and Galron is town then every wagon for the entire game has been on town

Then who is scum in that set of facts? It’s assuming what you want me to and asking broad questions.

Town cannibalizing its loud vocal players strongly indicates pride. Namely, slots are getting scumread because they oppose other vocal townread slots.

How many people contributed to today beyond saying VP is a good/ok elimination? There's far too many players that sat back and let this elimination go through. Scum have no interest in saving VP.

Frogsterking - A few questions to me. Otherwise, no real contribution.
Scorpious - Random vote on Cake and wanting to die.
Save The Dragons - Sheep and leave.
DeasVail - FoS and then VLA
Eyes without a face - Prodded said nothing
April Ludgate - Included to be fair. No real push.
Cape90 - Barely here, but he arguably could be excluded.

A good bulk of your scum are in here.

this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day

Yes. If I was scum with VP, I'd have him shut up. Reads only give town more to work with. Particularly the rule of 3. If VP is scum here, I'll eat my hat.*


*Not a bet, just a confidence expression.

I feel it's wrong to want the day over with but I kinda do. I don't see a way VP is saved, he doesn't want to be here, he's given final reads and I don't see what else we learn. Fighting for fighting's sake only hurts us.

I would like to resolve VP today, if we really can't get him Titus is fine but VP should have been flipped yesterday. All his stuff about being a good hunter and a net positive for town is just bluster. Don't let him fool you.

While I disagree with a VP elimination, I know he can't live until elo without a clear. A clear is unlikely to happen with yeet's flip. I'd rather admit I lost the argument and try again tomorrow than drag the town through a screaming match that is likely to fail and demotivate us further without a scumread of my own. In the rare event I am wrong, then I fully expect to be vigged tonight or eliminated tomorrow and I've made my peace with that. I think game health needs VP dead no matter how much I disagree.

Eyes, thoughts about VP and ending this day?

titus prob just TMIing, and yet still pushing for vp to get limmed

can we just get this instead

I'm not pushing for VP to get eliminated. I just can't herd cattle to get any of my suspects wagoned. I'd literally vote any of them to save my town core. That's Mama Bear.

titus is pushing for a vp flip over a Nero one despite the wagons being close at 5-4, probably bc both are town and she knows a vp flip will make her look better than a Nero one

Literally everyone else is avoiding a comment on Nero. There are plenty of fake votes on VP from slots such as Deas. If I could get Nero, I'd take it in a heartbeat. It's just not happening.

Are scumreading eyes are not popular anymore and everyone sheep instead...

I'm just saving VP. I'd kill anyone but you Galron or Math to do it.

titus behavior here just makes no sense from town pov. she's not solving. it's all positioning and political

april pls come back

No. I have solved a chunk of the game. VP April Galron Math and Enchant are my core even if they don't or can't work together. I think that's enough to trap scum, even a deep wolf.

If you're willing to see that VP is town, then VP might not be the automatic elimination. We're starting to talk about the game as a whole. It's a long shot but we have scum in my pool.

That's incorrect. While I townread VP, I'm not alone. There are people voting with me and/or wanting not VP. There's people sheeping me like Scorpious. Eyes is wanting not VP. There are people not voting like April.

I mean about scum not being in the hood.

I'm not certain there are. I townread everyone in the hood. Could I be wrong on one? Absolutely. That's why I'm not resisting but documenting my objection. People can support opinions by disagreeing by defending me as town without actually agreeing by Titus is saying that Titus is town but wrong. It encourages people to keep me, and thus my voice, alive.

You’re the only one who thinks everyone in the hood is town is my point. You’re actively pushing where scum likely aren’t.

I laid out that scum are just as likely in the hood rather than out.

Fire, how do we get the lurkers to take a stance with the lim locked on VP/Nero?

Then just vote VP math and I'll vote VP and we can end the day. SCorpious and VP will follow.

VOTE: Cape

Fuck it

We need to prove April and VP scum

And if I am wrong and VP is town everyone wins

This just is hard to process on so many levels.

It’s simple

I am tired of fighting

Tired of the negativity

And just done

So April and VP agree on Cape and it’s in the hood

So it’s pretty much we hit scum in the hood today or prove VP scum.

And April if Cape is town diverted from VP twice

So then it checks them both

Flipping someone rarely proves someone else. You're directing the charge today. Flip who you want. If VP is actually scum, flipping him would be harder. We could leash the vig in this situation. That might be helpful.

So we follow your theory. You don't get distracted.

VOTE: VP

[Titus]

Fire, I'm just done with this game. I don't want anyone else to sub in. It's chaotic and stupid. Most of the scum are shielded from even being considered for an elimination while Math plays to eliminate the "charismatic" people he can't persuade. Namely, my townblock. Scum will never kill him, making a scum elimination damn near impossible. The longer this goes on, the harder it will be. Right now, I'm putting my hands in Enchant and I'm not even sure if he's a vig but he probably is.

[MathBlade]

like anyone who is town, I beg you, read through this progression and tell me that comes from town. this is scum titus who is BEGGING for a vp flip despite her saying that she will vote anyone else to save him and that she strongly townreads him. she even asked eyes, one of her strongest scumreads at the time, to vote with her on VP to end the day. how do y'all not see this

Spoiler: titus

Titus you voted VP yesterday, what's making you not want to vote him today?

My VP vote was not based on his play but based on in thread events and prior wagons. Now that I'm invested, I'm voting on play.

Fire tene and myself surely all can’t be “agency captured”.

Why do you feel this way?

Where is the cognitive dissonance?

Is it simply you TR VP?

I answered the cog dis above.

I feel strongly that VP is town. While I doubt you're all agency captured, you are led astray. When you post things that don't jive with my read of the thread, we need to figure out who is wrong if they are agency captured or scum.

Why Cape? Does it not bother anyone that I am the only person tring vp?

It’s starting from facts namely if you’re town every wagon D1 was on town
If VP is town and Galron is town then every wagon for the entire game has been on town

Then who is scum in that set of facts? It’s assuming what you want me to and asking broad questions.

Town cannibalizing its loud vocal players strongly indicates pride. Namely, slots are getting scumread because they oppose other vocal townread slots.

How many people contributed to today beyond saying VP is a good/ok elimination? There's far too many players that sat back and let this elimination go through. Scum have no interest in saving VP.

Frogsterking - A few questions to me. Otherwise, no real contribution.
Scorpious - Random vote on Cake and wanting to die.
Save The Dragons - Sheep and leave.
DeasVail - FoS and then VLA
Eyes without a face - Prodded said nothing
April Ludgate - Included to be fair. No real push.
Cape90 - Barely here, but he arguably could be excluded.

A good bulk of your scum are in here.

this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day

Yes. If I was scum with VP, I'd have him shut up. Reads only give town more to work with. Particularly the rule of 3. If VP is scum here, I'll eat my hat.*


*Not a bet, just a confidence expression.

I feel it's wrong to want the day over with but I kinda do. I don't see a way VP is saved, he doesn't want to be here, he's given final reads and I don't see what else we learn. Fighting for fighting's sake only hurts us.

I would like to resolve VP today, if we really can't get him Titus is fine but VP should have been flipped yesterday. All his stuff about being a good hunter and a net positive for town is just bluster. Don't let him fool you.

While I disagree with a VP elimination, I know he can't live until elo without a clear. A clear is unlikely to happen with yeet's flip. I'd rather admit I lost the argument and try again tomorrow than drag the town through a screaming match that is likely to fail and demotivate us further without a scumread of my own. In the rare event I am wrong, then I fully expect to be vigged tonight or eliminated tomorrow and I've made my peace with that. I think game health needs VP dead no matter how much I disagree.

Eyes, thoughts about VP and ending this day?

titus prob just TMIing, and yet still pushing for vp to get limmed

can we just get this instead

I'm not pushing for VP to get eliminated. I just can't herd cattle to get any of my suspects wagoned. I'd literally vote any of them to save my town core. That's Mama Bear.

titus is pushing for a vp flip over a Nero one despite the wagons being close at 5-4, probably bc both are town and she knows a vp flip will make her look better than a Nero one

Literally everyone else is avoiding a comment on Nero. There are plenty of fake votes on VP from slots such as Deas. If I could get Nero, I'd take it in a heartbeat. It's just not happening.

Are scumreading eyes are not popular anymore and everyone sheep instead...

I'm just saving VP. I'd kill anyone but you Galron or Math to do it.

titus behavior here just makes no sense from town pov. she's not solving. it's all positioning and political

april pls come back

No. I have solved a chunk of the game. VP April Galron Math and Enchant are my core even if they don't or can't work together. I think that's enough to trap scum, even a deep wolf.

If you're willing to see that VP is town, then VP might not be the automatic elimination. We're starting to talk about the game as a whole. It's a long shot but we have scum in my pool.

That's incorrect. While I townread VP, I'm not alone. There are people voting with me and/or wanting not VP. There's people sheeping me like Scorpious. Eyes is wanting not VP. There are people not voting like April.

I mean about scum not being in the hood.

I'm not certain there are. I townread everyone in the hood. Could I be wrong on one? Absolutely. That's why I'm not resisting but documenting my objection. People can support opinions by disagreeing by defending me as town without actually agreeing by Titus is saying that Titus is town but wrong. It encourages people to keep me, and thus my voice, alive.

You’re the only one who thinks everyone in the hood is town is my point. You’re actively pushing where scum likely aren’t.

I laid out that scum are just as likely in the hood rather than out.

Fire, how do we get the lurkers to take a stance with the lim locked on VP/Nero?

Then just vote VP math and I'll vote VP and we can end the day. SCorpious and VP will follow.

VOTE: Cape

Fuck it

We need to prove April and VP scum

And if I am wrong and VP is town everyone wins

This just is hard to process on so many levels.

It’s simple

I am tired of fighting

Tired of the negativity

And just done

So April and VP agree on Cape and it’s in the hood

So it’s pretty much we hit scum in the hood today or prove VP scum.

And April if Cape is town diverted from VP twice

So then it checks them both

Flipping someone rarely proves someone else. You're directing the charge today. Flip who you want. If VP is actually scum, flipping him would be harder. We could leash the vig in this situation. That might be helpful.

So we follow your theory. You don't get distracted.

VOTE: VP

Titus is unfortunately illogical as every alignment to me

*hides in blushies*

[MathBlade]

Fire, I'm just done with this game. I don't want anyone else to sub in. It's chaotic and stupid. Most of the scum are shielded from even being considered for an elimination while Math plays to eliminate the "charismatic" people he can't persuade. Namely, my townblock. Scum will never kill him, making a scum elimination damn near impossible. The longer this goes on, the harder it will be. Right now, I'm putting my hands in Enchant and I'm not even sure if he's a vig but he probably is.

I want to elim in the hood

I also want to verify Boon.

Cape or VP does either

Boon picks problem solved.

[Scorpious]

Are we serious with how much we’re posting?

[Titus]

I'll admit I'm done being logical. There's pride, denial and acceptance. At first, I had a reasonable belief that I could communicate and possibly get wagons going on people who might be scum. Then, I began to be in denial about how powerless I was. Then I fought how powerless I was by demonstrating how bullshit this position is of only threatening people in the hood. Then I finally accepted that this game is in Enchant's hands and I'm just doing whatever.

[MathBlade]

Are we serious with how much we’re posting?

Titus posts bullshit

Can’t have scum take over elim second day in a row

What else am I supposed to do?

[Scorpious]

Sorry guys, this is just waaaay too much for me to just not being a warm body..

[Titus]

Are we serious with how much we’re posting?

Titus posts bullshit

Can’t have scum take over elim second day in a row

What else am I supposed to do?

Realize that I'm the new voice, so that maybe I'm the only one NOT posting bullshit and that's why I'm getting people to work with me.

VLA until Monday

Us going back and forth is doing NO ONE any good. Scorpious is right.

[Scorpious]

I’ll stop sheeping as to not be creepy.

But my vote is for sale..

The price… first one one me..

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE:

[fireisredsir]

scorp sheep me im obvtown