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[Nero Cain]

i mean you are conf town and I know you were doing it just to end the day but yea

[Cape90]

okay I just got to the last leg of Titus' logs and have reached the opposite of a conclusion. Kind of a like a "why would scum do this?" type of thing flowing through my mind. Actually, it could be like, somewhat clear. This game would be something else if 1-2 scum were doing the defeatist march like Titus/VP

[VP Baltar]

Notice he leaves yeet off

[Galron]

There are no conscientious objectors, you fucking hippie.

[Nero Cain]

oh noes I made an error, so scummy of me.

[Cape90]

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

the problem with this argument is literally... we all have right? Like there are no flipped mafia right now

killing town=//=not haveing flipped mafia

GeneralWu (10): tenebrousluminary, fireisredsir, Yeet, Save The Dragons, VP Baltar, humaneatingmonkey, Datisi, MathBlade, fua, Cape90

MalcolmTucker (9): Eyes without a face, Yeet, April Ludgate, Scorpious, Galron, VP Baltar, Titus, fireisredsir, MathBlade

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our town killers

vp, math, fire, titus have been on both town wagons.

don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the time

[Titus]

I have lost this thread.

[fireisredsir]

UNVOTE:

[Cape90]

Notice he leaves yeet off

This is a weird way of saying what I just said

[Nero Cain]

don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the time

not my point. You were saying that we've all killed town and I was correcting you.

I mean, VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons. But most of what he says is laughable.

[Cape90]

Scorpious, while I like feeling like someone would vote scum, I'd like to know your actual stances rather than just sheeping me. It's rather creepy. Why do you feel I'm such strong town AND accurate?

being pocketed in a game of mafia is pretty normal so I don't get how it's creepy

[Cape90]

don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the time

not my point. You were saying that we've all killed town and I was correcting you.

I mean, VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons. But most of what he says is laughable.

Pretty sure that's not his only reason

[Cape90]

I think it's possible they are both town in a ScumCape world.

absolute genius who would have guessed this

[Nero Cain]

Are you even reading this thread?

[Cape90]

I don't think I'll vote Nero before VPB.

That's a bummer because you're incorrect, and you're also shooting the town in the foot if you're ditching me. If you do believe it is cape, I'd argue to kill Nero because he's pretty useless regardless. His reads are terrible, and he ups the noise to signal ratio significantly.

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has killed nothing but town

It's also hard taking you seriously Nero when you also have said this

[Frogsterking]

Which is like ?? given the fact they have pocketed VP like this entire time.

yes... they have.... wait, do you think titus is maf? I'm confused now

I don't know how to read this. Was it a shift of brainpower in the middle of a typed sentence?

LOL

I think Frogster is being overly Orson Welles type dramatic here. WTactualF. Are we buying the game at this point?

I'm taking this as a compliment!

Baltar, you want me to vote whom?

You're fine. Kill me today. Kill frog tomorrow

That's what I thought. Got it.

Yes!

[Nero Cain]

Nero: VP think I'm scum reading him for X
cape: He has other reasons

????

[Nero Cain]

It's also hard taking you seriously Nero when you also have said this

it's hard to take me seriously when I point out an objective fact? Yes or no has VP been on both town MLs?

[Nero Cain]

like you aren't wrong that mafia avoid wagons and/or are useless with their vote but you can't just discredit the possible scum motivation of being on a ML by going "oh we've all done it" when that's not true.

[fireisredsir]

i don't know anymore

VOTE: VP

[Galron]

Enchant shoot me or eyes.

[VP Baltar]

Enchant shoot me or eyes.

I don't think you should be shot.

Eyes is maybe acceptable. Nero is god tier vig shot.

[Frogsterking]

Shoot Eyes for scum and Titus for killer IMO

[Frogsterking]

Sorry, let me rephrase that.

If VP flips town shoot me.

WHEN VP flips scum shoot Eyes for scum or Titus for killer.

[Cape90]

I think his language in the hood is kinda funky. He started out saying that "anyone reasonable would think there's scum here." but more recently has used "potential scum" and at one point said something like "because Nero thinks there's scum here." and it just feels like he's trying to straddle the fence between looking like he's uninformed and being informed idk.

This is wildly inaccurate and cherry picked. My position in scum in the hood has always been that's more likely than not the case. I call you a village idiot because it is unlikely any scum would be so obviously wrong on things that are quite easy to fact check. As I just stated to you in the hood, I would like to stop having this same conversation with you repeatedly. I don't think it is productive and youve done more than your share to bloat this game.

Ok, so I spent a lot of time overnight reviewing the Galron wagon, the counter push onto me, and Malcom's elimination yesterday. I have shared this case with my hood already. Nero has called it garbage.

Given that both my wagon and Malcom's wagon were two town being pushed, I think the chaos of the Galron wagon and Yeet soft are highly likely to have thrown scum into a bit of confusion when they had a comfortable position of two town being run up.

I'm still thinking this through, so bear with me if this gets a little long winded. I'll put a tl;dr at the end.

The big takeaway here is that I think the scum team is probably Nero/Frogster/Dragons/????

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Phase 1: Galron wagon into Yeet soft

Meanwhile, Nero is calling galron scum, but not willing to join the wagon for some reason. 44534455[pos]4456[/post]4462

Yeet starts his soft in 4470 by saying "absolutely not on Galron." Nero pushes back. I pick up on the soft at the top of page 180, when Yeet says again he is "*staunchly opposed*" to Galron. 4475 The weirdness of the language was a dead giveaway that Yeet had some kind of info pointing to Galron town. We can see now from the NK that I was right.

Phase 2: The scramble

Nero starts to fight with Yeet a little bit. I perceive this as Nero getting annoyed at the galron interference coming from yeet that Nero!scum doesn't quite understand yet. 452945314532

Nero says he'd like to vote Galron over Malcom, even though Nero has supported Malom wagon a bit in the past. 4550 Weirdly in this post, he says he wants to see where Frogster, DV, Titus, and dragons put their votes. DV has already said he's not leaving me. Titus also voted me. That leaves Nero signaling Frogster and Dragons.

Nero votes galron in 4588, even though he doesn't really give much reason and in his next post, 4599, he says "there's still enough votes to vote Malcolm out."

Nero says in 4642 that even if Gal is town, it's no big deal if they are limmed.

Nero is the first person to publicly out Yeet's soft in 4665. I pressed him on this overnight and he did not have any explanation on the protown motivation for doing this. He said basically it was obvious scum probably knew...which isn't an answer to make it a point of public discussion. This is most likely a rolefishing attempt.

Nero comes in again at 4670 to call Gal scummy even though he knows about the Yeet soft. Frogster also reinforces this with 4672, but then frogster votes me in 4674.

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Phase 3: Damage control

It's my firm belief that these three realized they got in too deep here. I was actively bringing fire around to understanding Yeet is probably town here who has good reason to believe Galron is town. Fire has been a main person aligned with Nero/frog/tenebros against me. This is extremely bad for scum if I'm starting to have better dialogue with fire.

Nero comes in right after in 4729 to say "yeet doesn't have an inno on gal." Another stupid miscalculation, probably meant to sway cape or Titus, but it's a misread of the game state. Scum are flailing here and unsure what to do.

Then we get the usual crowd of Tene and Nero chiming in that I'm obviously the best lim for the day. 47604771

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TL;DR

- Nero/dragons/Frogster all tried to use Math as cover to power through a Galron wagon yesterday, but misread the game state by missing Yeet's soft and by thinking they could still power the miselim through even after the soft was outted.

(I shortened it to the points talking about Nero for the most part)

not necessarily, i think one scum could have gone for the play of pretending they didn't notice it. my pick for that would probably be cape but frog is also possible

I feel like Nero's play is much shadier than Cape. He was kind of pushing all the wagons as possibilities D2.

Look at him today, he is trying to shade people on the Malcom wagon, even though he spent good chunks of yesterday promoting it. It's the same exact thing he did with Wu, except somehow even mote naked this time. He doesn't have a coherent suspect or team theory all game.

Pedit - I think cape should answer your Q for sure.

Also, your argument that I was pushing Malcolm is bullshit.

Your iso is full of you saying Malcom is a good possible lim, until it is happening, then you want nothing to do with it

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

You aren't scumhunting. Stated already, you aren't putting your vote out there.

What we know is you have gone after town, then backed off and try to shade people on the wagon.

You camp a vote on me because it is a safe space for you. I gave you a chance to flip me yesterday and look like shit. You couldn't even get that to happen when I was showing you my belly.

Why are you so ineffective at getting a wagon over if you're so town?

I've pointed out plenty of scummy behavior by you around the galron-yeet stuff and you have literally no response to it.

You're not taking any risks, so of course you have little to no dirt on your hands. You aren't pushing any lims for real.

Oh wow look at all that.

Okay looking at it all closer, it was unfair for me to also say that you were only voting VP for very basic reasons or whatever, but like, wow I read now and it turns out, VP actually did give more arguments!