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[Nero Cain]

you've won an argument that I wasn't even making. great job guy

[Cape90]

Nero: VP think I'm scum reading him for X
cape: He has other reasons

????

I don't know what this was then

[MathBlade]

Can someone Unvote until we get a VC?

[Cape90]

It's also hard taking you seriously Nero when you also have said this

it's hard to take me seriously when I point out an objective fact? Yes or no has VP been on both town MLs?

yes

[Cape90]

don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the time

not my point. You were saying that we've all killed town and I was correcting you.

I mean, VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons. But most of what he says is laughable.

Pretty sure that's not his only reason

Are you even reading this thread?

I wouldn't know what this was either

[Galron]

I think his language in the hood is kinda funky. He started out saying that "anyone reasonable would think there's scum here." but more recently has used "potential scum" and at one point said something like "because Nero thinks there's scum here." and it just feels like he's trying to straddle the fence between looking like he's uninformed and being informed idk.

This is wildly inaccurate and cherry picked. My position in scum in the hood has always been that's more likely than not the case. I call you a village idiot because it is unlikely any scum would be so obviously wrong on things that are quite easy to fact check. As I just stated to you in the hood, I would like to stop having this same conversation with you repeatedly. I don't think it is productive and youve done more than your share to bloat this game.

Ok, so I spent a lot of time overnight reviewing the Galron wagon, the counter push onto me, and Malcom's elimination yesterday. I have shared this case with my hood already. Nero has called it garbage.

Given that both my wagon and Malcom's wagon were two town being pushed, I think the chaos of the Galron wagon and Yeet soft are highly likely to have thrown scum into a bit of confusion when they had a comfortable position of two town being run up.

I'm still thinking this through, so bear with me if this gets a little long winded. I'll put a tl;dr at the end.

The big takeaway here is that I think the scum team is probably Nero/Frogster/Dragons/????

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Phase 1: Galron wagon into Yeet soft

Meanwhile, Nero is calling galron scum, but not willing to join the wagon for some reason. 44534455[pos]4456[/post]4462

Yeet starts his soft in 4470 by saying "absolutely not on Galron." Nero pushes back. I pick up on the soft at the top of page 180, when Yeet says again he is "*staunchly opposed*" to Galron. 4475 The weirdness of the language was a dead giveaway that Yeet had some kind of info pointing to Galron town. We can see now from the NK that I was right.

Phase 2: The scramble

Nero starts to fight with Yeet a little bit. I perceive this as Nero getting annoyed at the galron interference coming from yeet that Nero!scum doesn't quite understand yet. 452945314532

Nero says he'd like to vote Galron over Malcom, even though Nero has supported Malom wagon a bit in the past. 4550 Weirdly in this post, he says he wants to see where Frogster, DV, Titus, and dragons put their votes. DV has already said he's not leaving me. Titus also voted me. That leaves Nero signaling Frogster and Dragons.

Nero votes galron in 4588, even though he doesn't really give much reason and in his next post, 4599, he says "there's still enough votes to vote Malcolm out."

Nero says in 4642 that even if Gal is town, it's no big deal if they are limmed.

Nero is the first person to publicly out Yeet's soft in 4665. I pressed him on this overnight and he did not have any explanation on the protown motivation for doing this. He said basically it was obvious scum probably knew...which isn't an answer to make it a point of public discussion. This is most likely a rolefishing attempt.

Nero comes in again at 4670 to call Gal scummy even though he knows about the Yeet soft. Frogster also reinforces this with 4672, but then frogster votes me in 4674.

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Phase 3: Damage control

It's my firm belief that these three realized they got in too deep here. I was actively bringing fire around to understanding Yeet is probably town here who has good reason to believe Galron is town. Fire has been a main person aligned with Nero/frog/tenebros against me. This is extremely bad for scum if I'm starting to have better dialogue with fire.

Nero comes in right after in 4729 to say "yeet doesn't have an inno on gal." Another stupid miscalculation, probably meant to sway cape or Titus, but it's a misread of the game state. Scum are flailing here and unsure what to do.

Then we get the usual crowd of Tene and Nero chiming in that I'm obviously the best lim for the day. 47604771

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TL;DR

- Nero/dragons/Frogster all tried to use Math as cover to power through a Galron wagon yesterday, but misread the game state by missing Yeet's soft and by thinking they could still power the miselim through even after the soft was outted.

(I shortened it to the points talking about Nero for the most part)

not necessarily, i think one scum could have gone for the play of pretending they didn't notice it. my pick for that would probably be cape but frog is also possible

I feel like Nero's play is much shadier than Cape. He was kind of pushing all the wagons as possibilities D2.

Look at him today, he is trying to shade people on the Malcom wagon, even though he spent good chunks of yesterday promoting it. It's the same exact thing he did with Wu, except somehow even mote naked this time. He doesn't have a coherent suspect or team theory all game.

Pedit - I think cape should answer your Q for sure.

Also, your argument that I was pushing Malcolm is bullshit.

Your iso is full of you saying Malcom is a good possible lim, until it is happening, then you want nothing to do with it

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

You aren't scumhunting. Stated already, you aren't putting your vote out there.

What we know is you have gone after town, then backed off and try to shade people on the wagon.

You camp a vote on me because it is a safe space for you. I gave you a chance to flip me yesterday and look like shit. You couldn't even get that to happen when I was showing you my belly.

Why are you so ineffective at getting a wagon over if you're so town?

I've pointed out plenty of scummy behavior by you around the galron-yeet stuff and you have literally no response to it.

You're not taking any risks, so of course you have little to no dirt on your hands. You aren't pushing any lims for real.

Oh wow look at all that.

Okay looking at it all closer, it was unfair for me to also say that you were only voting VP for very basic reasons or whatever, but like, wow I read now and it turns out, VP actually did give more arguments!

Okay so I hate to quote the whole thing, but that sounds overly defensive. And I had a town read on cape. So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

[Galron]

VOTE: UNVOTE:

[Cape90]

VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons

You also said this when VP said like day 2 ago

he was yelling and screaming for a Wu lim and now he's just kinda reserved.

Who are you trying to fool with this? Titus and galron most likely since they were not here I guess. I'm being run up because 'boo hoo vp is so mean and calling people scum with his so many misreps, etc,' but I'm also reserved and timid I guess?

Like I said, you are running a marketing campaign rather than actually scum hunting. You've wasted so much of the town's time today with a nonsense wagon on me, and you should do some self reflection if youre town, but you won't.

[Nero Cain]

I was saying that VP (probably) thinks the reason that I'm scum reading him b/c I think he's scum that was on both ML's. It had nothing to do with HIS reasons for voting ME.

and your counter was he has other reasons.

[Cape90]

Spoiler:

I think his language in the hood is kinda funky. He started out saying that "anyone reasonable would think there's scum here." but more recently has used "potential scum" and at one point said something like "because Nero thinks there's scum here." and it just feels like he's trying to straddle the fence between looking like he's uninformed and being informed idk.

This is wildly inaccurate and cherry picked. My position in scum in the hood has always been that's more likely than not the case. I call you a village idiot because it is unlikely any scum would be so obviously wrong on things that are quite easy to fact check. As I just stated to you in the hood, I would like to stop having this same conversation with you repeatedly. I don't think it is productive and youve done more than your share to bloat this game.

Ok, so I spent a lot of time overnight reviewing the Galron wagon, the counter push onto me, and Malcom's elimination yesterday. I have shared this case with my hood already. Nero has called it garbage.

Given that both my wagon and Malcom's wagon were two town being pushed, I think the chaos of the Galron wagon and Yeet soft are highly likely to have thrown scum into a bit of confusion when they had a comfortable position of two town being run up.

I'm still thinking this through, so bear with me if this gets a little long winded. I'll put a tl;dr at the end.

The big takeaway here is that I think the scum team is probably Nero/Frogster/Dragons/????

---

Phase 1: Galron wagon into Yeet soft

Meanwhile, Nero is calling galron scum, but not willing to join the wagon for some reason. 44534455[pos]4456[/post]4462

Yeet starts his soft in 4470 by saying "absolutely not on Galron." Nero pushes back. I pick up on the soft at the top of page 180, when Yeet says again he is "*staunchly opposed*" to Galron. 4475 The weirdness of the language was a dead giveaway that Yeet had some kind of info pointing to Galron town. We can see now from the NK that I was right.

Phase 2: The scramble

Nero starts to fight with Yeet a little bit. I perceive this as Nero getting annoyed at the galron interference coming from yeet that Nero!scum doesn't quite understand yet. 452945314532

Nero says he'd like to vote Galron over Malcom, even though Nero has supported Malom wagon a bit in the past. 4550 Weirdly in this post, he says he wants to see where Frogster, DV, Titus, and dragons put their votes. DV has already said he's not leaving me. Titus also voted me. That leaves Nero signaling Frogster and Dragons.

Nero votes galron in 4588, even though he doesn't really give much reason and in his next post, 4599, he says "there's still enough votes to vote Malcolm out."

Nero says in 4642 that even if Gal is town, it's no big deal if they are limmed.

Nero is the first person to publicly out Yeet's soft in 4665. I pressed him on this overnight and he did not have any explanation on the protown motivation for doing this. He said basically it was obvious scum probably knew...which isn't an answer to make it a point of public discussion. This is most likely a rolefishing attempt.

Nero comes in again at 4670 to call Gal scummy even though he knows about the Yeet soft. Frogster also reinforces this with 4672, but then frogster votes me in 4674.

----

Phase 3: Damage control

It's my firm belief that these three realized they got in too deep here. I was actively bringing fire around to understanding Yeet is probably town here who has good reason to believe Galron is town. Fire has been a main person aligned with Nero/frog/tenebros against me. This is extremely bad for scum if I'm starting to have better dialogue with fire.

Nero comes in right after in 4729 to say "yeet doesn't have an inno on gal." Another stupid miscalculation, probably meant to sway cape or Titus, but it's a misread of the game state. Scum are flailing here and unsure what to do.

Then we get the usual crowd of Tene and Nero chiming in that I'm obviously the best lim for the day. 47604771

----------------

TL;DR

- Nero/dragons/Frogster all tried to use Math as cover to power through a Galron wagon yesterday, but misread the game state by missing Yeet's soft and by thinking they could still power the miselim through even after the soft was outted.

(I shortened it to the points talking about Nero for the most part)

not necessarily, i think one scum could have gone for the play of pretending they didn't notice it. my pick for that would probably be cape but frog is also possible

I feel like Nero's play is much shadier than Cape. He was kind of pushing all the wagons as possibilities D2.

Look at him today, he is trying to shade people on the Malcom wagon, even though he spent good chunks of yesterday promoting it. It's the same exact thing he did with Wu, except somehow even mote naked this time. He doesn't have a coherent suspect or team theory all game.

Pedit - I think cape should answer your Q for sure.

Also, your argument that I was pushing Malcolm is bullshit.

Your iso is full of you saying Malcom is a good possible lim, until it is happening, then you want nothing to do with it

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

You aren't scumhunting. Stated already, you aren't putting your vote out there.

What we know is you have gone after town, then backed off and try to shade people on the wagon.

You camp a vote on me because it is a safe space for you. I gave you a chance to flip me yesterday and look like shit. You couldn't even get that to happen when I was showing you my belly.

Why are you so ineffective at getting a wagon over if you're so town?

I've pointed out plenty of scummy behavior by you around the galron-yeet stuff and you have literally no response to it.

You're not taking any risks, so of course you have little to no dirt on your hands. You aren't pushing any lims for real.

Oh wow look at all that.

Okay looking at it all closer, it was unfair for me to also say that you were only voting VP for very basic reasons or whatever, but like, wow I read now and it turns out, VP actually did give more arguments!

Okay so I hate to quote the whole thing, but that sounds overly defensive. And I had a town read on cape. So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

what exactly would I be defending here, why?

[VP Baltar]

Can someone Unvote until we get a VC?

I'm at E-2 I think.

[Cape90]

I was saying that VP (probably) thinks the reason that I'm scum reading him b/c I think he's scum that was on both ML's. It had nothing to do with HIS reasons for voting ME.

and your counter was he has other reasons.

you know what, I... was misreading that. Carry on

[Nero Cain]

there's also other big one fmpov where in the hood he was telling you or Gal that the reason he was getting ran up is b/c "people didn't like his attitude." but like Fir and tene? were scumreading him for other things.

[Cape90]

So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?

[Galron]

I think I was mesreading that too but I can't articulate it right now.

[Cape90]

there's also other big one fmpov where in the hood he was telling you or Gal that the reason he was getting ran up is b/c "people didn't like his attitude." but like Fir and tene? were scumreading him for other things.

I know Titus was scumreading Baltar and said stuff along those lines

[Nero Cain]

its late lets just all go to bed. night

[Galron]

So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?

I really didn't get that you were feeling VPB over Nero. There was something in there that broke the connection.

[Cape90]

So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?

I really didn't get that you were feeling VPB over Nero. There was something in there that broke the connection.

I am not, I was literally defending VP there against Nero with an argument Nero wasn't making

[Galron]

So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?

I really didn't get that you were feeling VPB over Nero. There was something in there that broke the connection.

I am not, I was literally defending VP there against Nero with an argument Nero wasn't making

Okay. do you want me to switch to the hood for a sec so we can straighten this out or do you want to do it here? Makes no difference to me.

[Frogsterking]

The narrative of phase 3 VP presented is pure creative fiction. I explained to VP what exactly was going through my mind with an ironclad timeline of things I actually posted. VP is probably leaning back in his chair drinking a cold beer and cracking himself up. There hasn't been an effort to actually sort my alignment from VP or ask me questions in good faith. VP reeks of a combination of "I can't believe I'm still getting away with this" scum and "I give up I'm dead" scum.

There are a lot of days ahead where we still need to vote correctly to win. I floated Eyes and Dease as potential scum buddies for VP and my best interpretation of Titus play today is that they are a killer who has been benefiting from VP's antics. I've never played with a killer before on Mafiascum but I've played setups with a killer a bunch on EpicMafia.

[Galron]

The narrative of phase 3 VP presented is pure creative fiction. I explained to VP what exactly was going through my mind with an ironclad timeline of things I actually posted. VP is probably leaning back in his chair drinking a cold beer and cracking himself up. There hasn't been an effort to actually sort my alignment from VP or ask me questions in good faith. VP reeks of a combination of "I can't believe I'm still getting away with this" scum and "I give up I'm dead" scum.

There are a lot of days ahead where we still need to vote correctly to win. I floated Eyes and Dease as potential scum buddies for VP and my best interpretation of Titus play today is that they are a killer who has been benefiting from VP's antics. I've never played with a killer before on Mafiascum but I've played setups with a killer a bunch on EpicMafia.

This is tstbs.

[Frogsterking]

The narrative of phase 3 VP presented is pure creative fiction. I explained to VP what exactly was going through my mind with an ironclad timeline of things I actually posted. VP is probably leaning back in his chair drinking a cold beer and cracking himself up. There hasn't been an effort to actually sort my alignment from VP or ask me questions in good faith. VP reeks of a combination of "I can't believe I'm still getting away with this" scum and "I give up I'm dead" scum.

There are a lot of days ahead where we still need to vote correctly to win. I floated Eyes and Dease as potential scum buddies for VP and my best interpretation of Titus play today is that they are a killer who has been benefiting from VP's antics. I've never played with a killer before on Mafiascum but I've played setups with a killer a bunch on EpicMafia.

This is tstbs.

What?

[Mizzytastic]

Talking of time, how long does a game of go take? Casually I've found a full 19x19 board game times to take forty five minutes to an hour. However in the past big professional games would be played over multiple days. This is much rarer now.

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Official Votecount 3.12

VP Baltar (5): Nero Cain, Save The Dragons, Frogsterking, tenebrousluminary, fireisredsir

[E-3]

Cape90 (2): Mathblade, Titus
Frogsterking (1): Eyes without a face
Save the Dragons (1): Enchant
Nero Cain (1): VP Baltar

Not Voting (4): Scorpious, DeasVail, Galron, April Ludgate, Cape90

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2022-03-25 22:15:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

[Galron]

The narrative of phase 3 VP presented is pure creative fiction. I explained to VP what exactly was going through my mind with an ironclad timeline of things I actually posted. VP is probably leaning back in his chair drinking a cold beer and cracking himself up. There hasn't been an effort to actually sort my alignment from VP or ask me questions in good faith. VP reeks of a combination of "I can't believe I'm still getting away with this" scum and "I give up I'm dead" scum.

There are a lot of days ahead where we still need to vote correctly to win. I floated Eyes and Dease as potential scum buddies for VP and my best interpretation of Titus play today is that they are a killer who has been benefiting from VP's antics. I've never played with a killer before on Mafiascum but I've played setups with a killer a bunch on EpicMafia.

This is tstbs.

What?

It sounds like you're lining up mizzes.