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[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: StrangeMatter

I feel like I would post 20 as scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so many words catboi tsk tsk

and yet it's still more efficient than your postcount padding word vomit

i almost fell asleep reading it

[StrangeMatter]

More of an actual question about what people are thinking but alright.

[catboi]

so many words catboi tsk tsk

and yet it's still more efficient than your postcount padding word vomit

i almost fell asleep reading it

Might want to see a doctor about your Narcolepsy

[GuiltyLion]

I think the idea to fail defusals by default is correct for reasons catboi explained, but I'm also having an emotional reaction against it due it being counter to the nature of the set-up as well as the resulting loss of my agency lol

[StrangeMatter]

I don't fully understand this setup that's for sure.

[VP Baltar]

I don't fully understand this setup that's for sure.

Same. I assumed the bombs were mandatory because like...yeah, why would you do them otherwise????

[Greeting]

Boom boom boom boom
I don't want you in my room

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

Also hi everyone.

[GuiltyLion]

well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default

[VP Baltar]

well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default

oh like use them as a double elim?

[catboi]

well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default

oh like use them as a double elim?

The scum are the ones choosing the defusers, please go read the setup again. It's not functionally an elimination but unless someone is towncore there's no point saving them from a nightkill.


I'll shrug and take this as plausibly uninformed, good enough for page 2.

[Titus]

well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default

oh like use them as a double elim?

It's a basic game of wifom.

If scum put themselves up, and we all townread them, then they win.
If scum put themselves up and a lone ranger scumreads them, then scum lose.
If scum put town up and we scumread them, scum win.
If scum put town up and we townread them, we win.

[VP Baltar]

well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default

oh like use them as a double elim?

It's a basic game of wifom.

If scum put themselves up, and we all townread them, then they win.
If scum put themselves up and a lone ranger scumreads them, then scum lose.
If scum put town up and we scumread them, scum win.
If scum put town up and we townread them, we win.

Ok got it.

[VP Baltar]

please go read the setup again.

Fair warning, in games like this, I'll probably ask lots of dumb questions about the setup/mechanics.

[Greeting]

3. bomb defusals - defusing the bomb:
once night starts, the bomb defuser will receive their bomb, and each bomb expert will receive a part of that bomb's defusal manual.
the bomb defuser and all bomb experts will be added into a private topic for the night. the defuser's job is to describe the bomb, and the experts' job is to tell the defuser how to defuse the bomb, based on their description and the manual they have received. an example of this can be found below.
besides that, the defuser and the experts are free to discuss the game as they wish.
if all the bomb experts give the correct information about the bomb, the defuser will successfully defuse the bomb, and will survive the night.
if any of the bomb experts give incorrect information, the bomb will explode, and the defuser will die.

The rules seem to not have foreseen the situation in which some of the bomb experts just refuse to give out any information, with the intention of refusing to participate in the defusing of a bomb. What if the defuser doesn't provide any solution to defusing the bomb too? I suppose technically they didn't either provide a correct nor an incorrect answer and there is no provision for that situation in the rules either.

I feel like this is a way for players to avoid defusing a bomb altogether. But it also kinda breaks the setup, I guess?

[Titus]

3. bomb defusals - defusing the bomb:
once night starts, the bomb defuser will receive their bomb, and each bomb expert will receive a part of that bomb's defusal manual.
the bomb defuser and all bomb experts will be added into a private topic for the night. the defuser's job is to describe the bomb, and the experts' job is to tell the defuser how to defuse the bomb, based on their description and the manual they have received. an example of this can be found below.
besides that, the defuser and the experts are free to discuss the game as they wish.
if all the bomb experts give the correct information about the bomb, the defuser will successfully defuse the bomb, and will survive the night.
if any of the bomb experts give incorrect information, the bomb will explode, and the defuser will die.

The rules seem to not have foreseen the situation in which some of the bomb experts just refuse to give out any information, with the intention of refusing to participate in the defusing of a bomb. What if the defuser doesn't provide any solution to defusing the bomb too? I suppose technically they didn't either provide a correct nor an incorrect answer and there is no provision for that situation in the rules either.

I feel like this is a way for players to avoid defusing a bomb altogether. But it also kinda breaks the setup, I guess?

Refusal is likely treated as gambling with the defuser just guessing at the last second.

[catboi]

Not providing any information is obviously going to be treated the same as giving incorrect information.

[Titus]

VOTE: StrangeMatter

I feel like I would post 20 as scum

Ok.

VOTE: SM

[Greeting]

Refusal is likely treated as gambling with the defuser just guessing at the last second.

Not providing any information is obviously going to be treated the same as giving incorrect information.

@Datisi

[Datisi]

@Datisi

not providing information as the bomb expert will be treated the same as giving incorrect information, since the bomb explodes if its timer runs out without it being solved correctly.

[Titus]

That does create the last second wifom though on if the defuser thinks the bomb maker is lying.

[Titus]

@Datisi, does the defuser have to accept the recommendations of the experts?

[Datisi]

@Datisi, does the defuser have to accept the recommendations of the experts?

yes. the defuser

must

accept the recommendations, and

cannot

submit solutions on their own.

[Greeting]

@Datisi, does the defuser have to accept the recommendations of the experts?

yes. the defuser

must

accept the recommendations, and

cannot

submit solutions on their own.

Will the whole of the defusal manual of the bomb be provided to everyone (or at least all the bomb experts) in the case of an unsuccessful defusal and subsequent death of the bomb expert?

[Datisi]

@Datisi, does the defuser have to accept the recommendations of the experts?

yes. the defuser

must

accept the recommendations, and

cannot

submit solutions on their own.

Will the whole of the defusal manual of the bomb be provided to everyone (or at least all the bomb experts) in the case of an unsuccessful defusal and subsequent death of the bomb expert?

no, and a bomb expert does not die from an unsucessful defusal.