KTaNE [game over!]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

not looking good for pooky!!!

oh no whatever will i do

Captain Cephrir and his First Mate Andy got me on the run!

Theres nowhere to run aboard a ship, scallywag!

Oh shit pooky is gonna catch me for having fun again

lol wouldn't want that to happen better get that salty warthog face back on

[Dwlee99]

Not gonna lie, I hate Dwlee's entrance here, feels like they're not even trying.. like "oh hahaha andante vote!!" then "lol get pooky" like, this is your entrance.... hello?? most of us are past rvs... wanna give real thoughts on something?

Why would you be inclined to lie in the first place?

Spoiler:

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow ceph doing it big am i being baited

[catboi]

Reread VP Baltar and not particularly convinced this is scum-him.

I do have a secret scumread but I'm going to sit on it for a bit.

[Bell]

Hey bell wanna play battleship

Sure

[Cephrir]

wow ceph doing it big am i being baited

I would probably troll you either way <3

[Cephrir]

Hey bell wanna play battleship

Sure

(I'm not actually gonna I was just trolling pooky)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow ceph that's cold

way to diss Bell like that

[Cephrir]

Pooky maybe actually scum for not trying to kill me for being cheeky yet

[Bell]

He’s trying to play us against each other but it won’t work because you’re totally scum this game again.

[Dwlee99]

My scumread on Andante is slowly growing

[Bell]

Dwlee, I feel like you did this thing with Koba just like five minutes ago.
What’s different this time?

[Dwlee99]

That I'm town and Andante isn't Koba.

[Dwlee99]

There's also the fact that I was genuinely scumreading Koba when I did the similar thing - it was multiball. If anything this being similar should be town!indicative in singleball :^)

[Bell]

That sounds fair to me assuming you play similarly as scum in multiball

[Frogsterking]

Ehhh for me it was more I felt weird vibes from catboi, like too aggressive, scary... I'm not going there though, would rather spend my effort with people being non scary lol

That's good to know, I don't think that's normal? I've read some games catboi was in and I've seen them push hard as town and get scum voted out on D1, then get fearkilled N1, but in those games I don't remember them necessarily coming off scary by tone while they went about it. It's possible they do have a scary vibe sometimes early as town and I didn't read their posts closely enough in those other games I read. It just seems a little odd and potentially worth looking into because catboi tends to be townread regardless of alignment, which is something I've definitely noticed from reading their games.

First of all, I called your iso garbage because at the time it had only three posts, and I thought all three of them looked scummy. Because your iso only consisted of three posts all of which appeared to me as potential early scum posts, the word "garbage" felt like a sincere way to express my intuition regarding your iso. Also, we haven't played together, but I'm familiar with you as a player, and I'm not sure if I've completely read a game you were in but I've definitely read some of your posts, and I know you're a game solver who can write big walls, so I had that expectation going into your iso, which made it seem extra worse. I know that's not fair or accurate, that's just how I was (and am) biased toward reading your slot, and it's why I said "unless there's some exceptional dayplay in a good or bad direction...", it's specifically because of slots like yours that I included that qualifier.

Ok I know this is towards GuiltyLion and not me... but like... I'm responding

You called an ISO garbage BECAUSE it had 3 posts?? like, what?? just the logic of this... game just begun... wow. and like, you EXPECT giant walls from Guilty Lion?? like, fam... and you're saying it's not fair I ask you a question.... if we want to talk about fairness... I don't think that's a fair way to read GL, and like, since you were questioned, you're majorly backing off... so how am I not supposed to believe you were scum looking for an easy push??

idk, if you're calling an ISO garbage cause it only has 3 posts, it's like, you're just taking away from your credibility (might be the wrong word to use here) but if that's the basis for a read... why should I trust you on the others...

Not because it only had 3 posts, specifically because it only had 3 posts which is technically enough to qualify as a pattern, and they all looked like potential early scum posts. So the ratio of scummy posts in the iso was 100%, and there was technically enough posts in the iso to call it a pattern. Comparing iso to iso it would have looked better at a glance if there was just one scummy post because then there wouldn't have been enough to call it a pattern, or no posts because then they could just be doing something IRL, or 10 scummy posts and 50 non-scummy posts because the ratio wouldn't be skewed to be 100% scummy.

Don't think it's fair? I'm legit giving thoughts, and I asked you a question.. how is asking you a question not fair? It's not like I'm currently death tunneling you... I'm engaging in a civil conversation, with the intent to pick your brain for reads on the others... like, whether you're town or maf, I want to know your reads, and like if we're thinking similar things, like VP, cool!! Different things? like catboi/pooky? cool! I like other perspectives! So by you going "I don't think this is fair" it feels like you read what Tweet said, and are just repeating Tweet's thoughts instead of your own, which like, town wouldn't do... like, what? what is not fair about me asking why you care that someone doesn't like large games??

Like, who cares if there's a story to why someone doesn't like large games?? that would just distract from this game, and give no relevant information here.

You don't agree there's a specific topic for AI stuff?? Ummm ok let me phrase a question this way then, How does talking about unrelated things give reads for this game? Like, from my experience, maf if much more likely to want to solely engage in like setup speculation, a plan... instead of actual reads/engaging with people... I still don't genuinely believe you thought you could get valuable info from Tweet there for that question... but I'm not gonna keep going there cause I can definitely ask more useful questions.

On a kinda related note to you, what are your thoughts on Tweet just now suddenly getting interested in this bomb defuser stuff? like right as the pages of setup talk settled down, she's just going back to it. any thoughts there?

Well for one thing if I'm going to have to make a call on whether something Tweet says or does is scummy, I'm going to have to make some inductive leaps about them as a person and/or as a player. Inductive leaps require specific examples to make generalizations, so a story from Tweet would serve as a great specific example which can be combined with other examples later. I think anyone who wishes to get more information about Tweet's slot is going to have access to this knowledge, so I think jumping to the conclusion that there's an unsavory reason behind my question or that my question is irrelevant is kind of like killing the messenger before he even gets to deliver you the postcard.

There's also potential for AI information from the story itself, for example if in telling the story Tweet seems very focused on how a particular aspect of large themes are so unfair for scum, I might start to wonder what exactly it is that's making Tweet so concerned about how fair large themes are for scum, and why they're thinking of this story right now.

Also on a strategic level it's true that someone can reveal AI information when you pressure them about their thoughts in a very game-related way, and if someone is on guard and used to being pressured and asked about game-related information they're going to be less likely to reveal AI information if they don't want to because they're going to be monitoring what they're saying, so there is a balance between being very direct and very indirect if you're hoping to get someone to post AI content.

As for Tweet's questions about the setup, I think it could totally be scum motivated. My problem with this take is that while I think there is a high chance there's a scum motivation behind Tweet's posts, I also believe there's a high chance Tweet would ask those exact same questions about the setup if they were town too, so I don't think it's solid probabilistic evidence they're more likely to flip scum than anyone else. I've not seen Tweet post anything I believe is more likely to be posted only as scum or town on a logical level, and I have no intuition or insight into Tweet's alignment I can work with either.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: ceph

This is serious. Pooky, if you don't join, you are buddies with Ceph

[Bell]

The idea that cephrir wouldn’t involuntarily celebrate as their facial and typing fingers betrayed them through sheer elation is hard to swallow for me.

[Lukewarm]

My bad, Luke. UNVOTE: Luke There's probably at least one lurker scum who hasn't even said anything yet so there's no way Luke goes in the bottom of the PoE. There's also no way Luke goes in the top of the PoE because fake game solving is a part of Luke's scum range.

VOTE: Frogsterking

I have so many questions.

Are you saying that your original reason for scum reading me was for "fake game solving"? If so, what did you mean here

VOTE: Lukewarm

Based on my understanding of how the setup works then there is a clear scum motivation in 71.

"Clear scum motivation" and "fake game solving" don't feel equivalent.

What was the original "clear scum motivation"?

Why do you no longer concerned by it?

Also, have we ever played a game of mafia together before?

[Dwlee99]

1. Andante
2. Cephrir
3. Pooky?
4. Hmm maybe this list isn't good because it's only people that have posted while I've been around...

[Lukewarm]

(I am very behind lol)

[Bell]

*scum can you please nom Frogster king first as bomb guy.

Pedit: feels fake.

[VP Baltar]

1. Andante
2. Cephrir
3. Pooky?
4. Hmm maybe this list isn't good because it's only people that have posted while I've been around...

You're just that good.

[Dwlee99]

*scum can you please nom Frogster king first as bomb guy.

Pedit: feels fake.

What does?

[Lukewarm]

HEAL: Frogsterking

Titus want to talk more about your town read of Frogster?