KTaNE [game over!]

[VP Baltar]

If we put in the 8 towniest players today we will have slim pickings day 2 and 3

That's why I'm proposing we not fully do that

I proposed a 3-1 mix per bomb to box in potentially scummy people, but leave us some townreads for the next phase.

I probably should actually do some analysis later and make a suggestion on the 8 and their order

i think id rather do 4 townreads together and the other one can just be an arbitrary mix of folks who want it

Just to preserve more people for later?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

andante town
Lukewarm scum
vp still scum
Frogster town
Cephrir scum

just need one more, maybe bell randed scum again lul

HEAL: the praetorian

[Cephrir]

If we put in the 8 towniest players today we will have slim pickings day 2 and 3

That's why I'm proposing we not fully do that

I proposed a 3-1 mix per bomb to box in potentially scummy people, but leave us some townreads for the next phase.

I probably should actually do some analysis later and make a suggestion on the 8 and their order

i think id rather do 4 townreads together and the other one can just be an arbitrary mix of folks who want it

Just to preserve more people for later?

partly! also if something were to go wrong in a group of 4 townreads that would be valuable info, whereas if something went wrong in a 3-1 group we would assume we knew why, perhaps foolishly

[Titus]

I disagree. As long as the hoods follow my strategy, who is in doesn't matter.

[Frogsterking]

In fact null reads who think they can do good work in a hood is exactly who I want to vote in today?

My preference is mainly for people we don't want to see potentially exploded on night 1. Giving null reads control over whether someone lives or dies seems un-ideal. The only point of concern would be someone like frogster who expressed a desire to reflexively kill any defuser. (I do think frogster is likely town at this point, contrary to my first impulse, but don't feel like going into detail right now).

That was an idea I floated out based on the setup spec i did before gamestart. I've been an advocate since the beginning of examining the top few approaches. Right now I'm more about killing most defusers without being reflexive about it.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Null

Wow I didn't even make it into the nulls but Andres did?

[Cephrir]

HURT: frog

still think you're town i just don't agree with your philosophy right now

[Frogsterking]

Ceph were you one of the players who wanted to try and defuse most of the bombs?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

- dwlee is towny for noticing as of 293

He said it was a joke. Does that change your read on him?

[Frogsterking]

If we put in the 8 towniest players today we will have slim pickings day 2 and 3

That's why I'm proposing we not fully do that

I proposed a 3-1 mix per bomb to box in potentially scummy people, but leave us some townreads for the next phase.

I probably should actually do some analysis later and make a suggestion on the 8 and their order

If we put in the 8 towniest players today we will have slim pickings day 2 and 3

That's why I'm proposing we not fully do that

I'm interested in exploring these ideas further. I'm not worried about having slim pickings on D2 and D3 because I think it will help with scum hunting and force out more AI information.

[Frogsterking]

I don't have 8 town leans yet, but
HEAL: Titus
HEAL: Andante
HEAL: Tweetie
HEAL: StrangeMatter
HEAL: Greeting

VOTE: Pooky

Can we consider the likelihood one of these picks was scum?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

- dwlee is towny for noticing as of 293

They said it was a joke. Does that change your read on them?

Sorry dwlee!

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Errr possibly a dumb question but how do we select who goes into what group?

[fireisredsir]

- dwlee is towny for noticing as of 293

They said it was a joke. Does that change your read on them?

Sorry dwlee!

huh? where did they say that? i said 351 looked jokey but i don't think the scumread overall was a joke and i don't see anything they said that would imply that

[Frogsterking]

Had I rolled scum the plan would be something like put up two buddies to defuse the bomb night 1, possibly bussing a weaker teammate to position them if necessary, send myself as defuser night 2 or 3, maybe stall a night or two but then have a teammate repeat as the defuser if they're still sufficiently townread

I want to bring this up here too. Seems good for considering the drawbacks of a defusal heavy plan.

[Greeting]

This, I think is town:

HEAL: Morning Tweet

HEAL: StrangeMatter

HEAL: Frogsterking

There is definitely scum in:

Lukewarm

,

Cephrir

and

VP Baltar

.

HURT: Cephrir

VOTE: Cephrir

Plus, I don't trust

Andante

, she has a playstyle which I can never read well.

HURT: Andante

[Cat Scratch Fever]

- dwlee is towny for noticing as of 293

They said it was a joke. Does that change your read on them?

Sorry dwlee!

huh? where did they say that? i said 351 looked jokey but i don't think the scumread overall was a joke and i don't see anything they said that would imply that

first part of 552

I misremembered - It wasn't a joke but it also wasn't a real read yet

[Cephrir]

Ceph were you one of the players who wanted to try and defuse most of the bombs?

Some, as long as it's still mathematically impossible to lose to the scum wincon

[catboi]

andante town
Lukewarm scum
vp still scum
Frogster town
Cephrir scum

just need one more, maybe bell randed scum again lul

HEAL: the praetorian

That's a pretty null post from koba

[catboi]

I liked some of morning tweets mechanics posting earlier but outside of that she's done ~nothing alignment indicative, don't get the townreads on her.

[fireisredsir]

first part of 552

I misremembered - It wasn't a joke but it also wasn't a real read yet

oh. yea i kinda didn't believe them when they said that and assumed they did have some sort of gutread at least. like i think 288 is legit scummy and i doubt dwlee voted based on nothing, there must have been some reason to choose andante. but you're right that switching to the gamestate read as the main reason for scumreading is.... interesting, at least. i would lower my townread of them if they're serious about that

[Morning Tweet]

Yup that's why i found it interessting as i saw it, there were at least a few

Me having a rough time getting mech is just baseline. Same with bitching about large games... check, yup.

pedit @ catboi

[fireisredsir]

Errr possibly a dumb question but how do we select who goes into what group?

see post 255. so if following ceph's plan we'd push the collective top townreads into the top 4 slots probs, and then the 4 after that can be a mix

[Dwlee99]

Is praetorian koba...

Also: I didn't /read/ a single Andante post prior to 293 but I had noted big posts and wanted to poke the bear so to speak.

Also:

I strongly dislike dwlee's Andante push.

Andante feels townish here, and I also know she's kind of an easy mislim having fallen into the trap of tunneling her more than once recently. I think dwlee knows this too.

What specifically don't you like about Dwlee's push?

Felt opportunistic to me like someone pushing a known easy mislim

I gave 351 some major side eye

The reasoning given post hoc ("too many people townreading andante --> andante scum) is pretty meh. It's so early in the game, it feels weird to make a gamestate read like that when people's reads are subject to change easily

Also, what about Andante's play makes her town in your eyes?

Helped push the game out of the 12 pages of mech talk, feels similar to her other town games

351 was a joke. 360 is unrelated to 351. Also: "it feels weird to make a gamestate read like that," well lemme show you some evidence:

Andante [7]:

Menalque, The Praetorian, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever

Frogsterking [6]:

Titus, VP Baltar, The Praetorian, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever[/font][/area]

And since then, more people have voted her for defuser. Speaking of which:
HURT: Morning tweet

[Frogsterking]

Yup that's why i found it interessting as i saw it, there were at least a few

Me having a rough time getting mech is just baseline. Same with bitching about large games... check, yup.

pedit @ catboi

Morning tweet im still having a hard time understanding you. How do you motivate yourself to post when you roll town vs roll scum?

This, I think is town:

HEAL: Morning Tweet

HEAL: StrangeMatter

HEAL: Frogsterking

There is definitely scum in:

Lukewarm

,

Cephrir

and

VP Baltar

.

HURT: Cephrir

VOTE: Cephrir

Plus, I don't trust

Andante

, she has a playstyle which I can never read well.

HURT: Andante

Can you explain the tweet read?

Ceph were you one of the players who wanted to try and defuse most of the bombs?

Some, as long as it's still mathematically impossible to lose to the scum wincon

Yeah i remember that plan i liked that idea