KTaNE [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.06

• with
  19
  votes in play, it takes
  10
  to make a decision.
  
• day 1 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-06 19:15:00)
  .
  
• 8
  players who have the most nominations at eod1 will be bomb experts on n1.

execution:

fireisredsir [5]:

Bell, Menalque, Dwlee99, The Praetorian, Titus

VP Baltar [3]:

Frogsterking, GuiltyLion, PookyTheMagicalBear

Cephrir [2]:

Morning Tweet, Greeting

PookyTheMagicalBear [1]:

Cephrir

Frogsterking [1]:

StrangeMatter

Dwlee99 [1]:

Cat Scratch Fever

Andante [1]:

The Bulge

StrangeMatter [1]:

VP Baltar

GuiltyLion [1]:

fireisredsir

not voting [3]:

Andresvmb, Andante, catboi

bomb expert nominations:

Andante [8]:

Menalque, The Praetorian, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet

Frogsterking [7]:

Titus, VP Baltar, The Praetorian, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet, Greeting

Greeting [6]:

catboi, Cephrir, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, Cat Scratch Fever

The Praetorian [5]:

The Bulge, Menalque, Frogsterking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever

catboi [3]:

VP Baltar, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever

Dwlee99 [3]:

VP Baltar, Titus, Cephrir

Morning Tweet [2]:

The Praetorian, Greeting

Titus [2]:

The Praetorian, PookyTheMagicalBear

Cephrir [2]:

Titus, Frogsterking

StrangeMatter [2]:

Frogsterking, Greeting

GuiltyLion [1]:

The Praetorian

not nominating [6]:

Andante, GuiltyLion, Andresvmb, StrangeMatter, Bell, Dwlee99

mod notes:

• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

[Dwlee99]

Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Are who I want to focus on this phase I think

Also CSF
Complete list:
Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Catboi
CSF

How are you defining "focus" here?

So limited time to solve implies an optimal way to divvy up your solving to maximize utility in reads idk this got too mathy as I was writing it

Anyway, these slots are ones I think have a good chance to contain scum and which have other reasons that solving their alignment will be more helpful.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: MT

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I answered the question: I'm going to be paying more attention to these people's posts in relation to other people's posts to analyze.

[catboi]

Is praetorian koba...

They weren't even hiding it, how do you not catch on, lol

Does that influence your read of them in any way?

Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Are who I want to focus on this phase I think

Also CSF
Complete list:
Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Catboi
CSF

How are you defining "focus" here?

So limited time to solve implies an optimal way to divvy up your solving to maximize utility in reads idk this got too mathy as I was writing it

Anyway, these slots are ones I think have a good chance to contain scum and which have other reasons that solving their alignment will be more helpful.

I'm confused at how you settled on those names this early

[Frogsterking]

They weren't even hiding it, how do you not catch on, lol

Does that influence your read of them in any way?

Yeah, scum, there's like no attempt at solving.

[Morning Tweet]

Morning tweet im still having a hard time understanding you. How do you motivate yourself to post when you roll town vs roll scum?

I would say it's more dependent on the game than my alignment. I'm primarily motivated by solving an already mostly played out game, as opposed to reading through interactions.

But you can really only do the latter D1 so I tend to be pretty weak. i also really really detest larger games because i usually don't end up reading the entire game, which hurts my confidence and motivation a lot -- at least, when the pages are growing and I'm not there.

In general my town game just varies wildly and i can't give you a great answer on what motivates me.

As scum, I'm not sure, I haven't rolled it in a serious setting in forever. I find it very easy to play in grand idea or otherwise super bastard games, but i attribute that more to those games than my actual play as scum being good.

[Titus]

This, I think is town:

HEAL: Morning Tweet

HEAL: StrangeMatter

HEAL: Frogsterking

There is definitely scum in:

Lukewarm

,

Cephrir

and

VP Baltar

.

HURT: Cephrir

VOTE: Cephrir

Plus, I don't trust

Andante

, she has a playstyle which I can never read well.

HURT: Andante

Meh starting to like you less

[Morning Tweet]

Ceph might be scum because they feel the same as usual and they're usually scum. Someone brought up earlier something in the vein of how they aren't playing differently and i liked that

I thought VP didn't really react much to pressure which was the opposite impression I got from him when he was scum threatreing against Auro in our last game

I haven't really played with scum!Luke i just noticed he hit some of the notes that i get when im town and frustrated and everything i say just brings more votes. on the other hand i did not like any of his mechanical posts , felt like pointing out the obvious. I also haven't played with fire

Bell could be scum he's usually obvtown, i don't know Strange, Titus could be, GL maybe, he reminds me of last appearance when he was a little outspoken early then I didn't really notice him again

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: GL

[Cephrir]

Ceph might be scum because they feel the same as usual and they're usually scum. Someone brought up earlier something in the vein of how they aren't playing differently and i liked that

Bad reason to scumread anyone and especially me

[Morning Tweet]

S2g no one will ever just let me do a thing without some genius trying to put me on the defensive for trying

LOL

The mafia experience

[Morning Tweet]

Ceph ur easily scum this game that's all I'm saying

[catboi]

Ceph might be scum because they feel the same as usual and they're usually scum. Someone brought up earlier something in the vein of how they aren't playing differently and i liked that

Bad reason to scumread anyone and especially me

But is it wrong tho

[Cephrir]

Yes

[Morning Tweet]

I don't want to say shit cause my reads are mostly could be's, im not trying to convince anyone of anytthing. Just trying to give a window

I thought Andante and Greeting were good for an early town start although i've seen a lot of reversal on that recently. i had not realized Andante was a rlly good scum player although I still would be much more surprised to see them scum than others

pedit: No it's not that'd be an insult to your scum game

I'm not trying to say you're automatically scum i just thought oyu haven't done anything that would surprise me

[Dwlee99]

They weren't even hiding it, how do you not catch on, lol

Does that influence your read of them in any way?

They didn't get in an argument with me so I didn't notice :^)

[Andante]

This, I think is town:

HEAL: Morning Tweet

HEAL: StrangeMatter

HEAL: Frogsterking

There is definitely scum in:

Lukewarm

,

Cephrir

and

VP Baltar

.

HURT: Cephrir

VOTE: Cephrir

Plus, I don't trust

Andante

, she has a playstyle which I can never read well.

HURT: Andante

excuse me? you hate my playstyle so what point are you trying to make? You calling me scum?

[Cephrir]

I'm not trying to say you're automatically scum i just thought oyu haven't done anything that would surprise me

I dont object to that. Weird reason for a vote tho. I'm not sure if I've ever left my scumrange this early in a game

[Frogsterking]

781 is good, IDK with Tweet, I might put them in the middle of the null posters.

Here's something I want to address moving forward:

scum can't just strongarm their wincon without the majority of them being widely townread. it would be very easy to catch on and simply eliminate scum and put a hiatus on defusing bombs.

Realistically you're going to be stacking the towncore as the expert on night 1, or at least you should. The players outside who are eligible to be defusers are going to be somewhere outside that, either in POE territory or light townleans. I don't really think town's collective ability is good enough to have all the scum players in a POE by the end of day 1 unless the mod rolled an absolute chump scumteam, meaning any scum team member who is somewhere in the territory of null to a townlean would be a reasonably "safe" pick for defuser.

I want to know what viable compositions of scumteams exist in this playerlist who could get PoEd out by D1.

It's a good point and I think there's more to calculate than "nah town bad."

[Andante]

Also, I'll fix my Luke read later, basically my plan there was to just go "yeah you're town!! talk to me!!" cause I think town luke makes good reads, and it just sucks when everyone is set on you being maf, I've been there before, so I was really hoping to make it a little easier on luke, and whelp luke left so that's fun, I'll like actually sort luke/fire later, I just wanted to clarify, I did not have a TR I'd die by on luke!!! I was mostly just trying to make the game a little more fun for him

ok, I'll be back later, I HAVE to do something.. wanted to say that on luke, and had the question for greeting, cause why the heck does my play style matter? it'd be one thing if you made an attempt to engage in a conversation with me here, but "i don't trust andante cause of her playstyle" EXCUSE ME???? not saying yall have to make me a bomb expert, I don't care, if I'm in front of a bomb I'm making every effort to solve it. so make me one or dont, don't care, but if we're going after my playstyle?? seriously?? I HAVE HAD NO INTERACTIONS WITH YOU AT ALL THIS GAME GREETING... WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?

[Cephrir]

Fair point frog. There arent a lot of free reads in this PL

[Cat Scratch Fever]

351 was a joke. 360 is unrelated to 351. Also: "it feels weird to make a gamestate read like that," well lemme show you some evidence:

Andante [7]:

Menalque, The Praetorian, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever

Frogsterking [6]:

Titus, VP Baltar, The Praetorian, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever[/font][/area]

And since then, more people have voted her for defuser. Speaking of which:
HURT: Morning tweet

Simply because your statement became true later doesn't mean it made sense as a real thought at the time

[Andante]

This, I think is town:

HEAL: Morning Tweet

HEAL: StrangeMatter

HEAL: Frogsterking

There is definitely scum in:

Lukewarm

,

Cephrir

and

VP Baltar

.

HURT: Cephrir

VOTE: Cephrir

Plus, I don't trust

Andante

, she has a playstyle which I can never read well.

HURT: Andante

excuse me? you hate my playstyle so what point are you trying to make? You calling me scum?

Also, Greeting's 3 heals are odd to me... cause none of those 3 are people I really TR

[Cat Scratch Fever]

HURT: all

Iwasn't aware we could pick the groups. I'l lfigure this out later