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[VP Baltar]

EBWOP

Dwlee99 - I kind of dig their aggressiveness, even if I'm sometimes meh on their reads. They was punching at Andante for example, even when that might have looked risky if you were scum.

Apologies dwlee on my pronoun fail.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, even if we consider the fact that 225 was before Cephrir pointed out what I was talking about earlier, I agree with Cephrir that the way VP Baltar dropped 1112 was meant to question that townread I got. And possibly pocket me to townread him in Cephrir's place

Nah, I think that's a pretty bad faith reading. I'm a stickler for accuracy, probably because my job is in journalism. If people say things that are factually inaccurate and I see them, I tend to want to correct the record. As I stated in my reply to ceph, I townread you, so I think it's helpful if I try to work with you and to make sure you're getting accurate info. I don't really care if you townread him, that's your choice. It's just that what your perception of the order of things wasn't quite right.

[VP Baltar]

I feel bad that I scum read baltar for their effort post.
The reason I am compelled to scum read it, is because their reads, read like characterizations first and sorting people second.

I'm always judging

Why is this your response to someone scumreading you for your readslist?

Because I think it is funny

do you think it's a fair assessment of your post? like does it affect your read of Bell?

I don't think it's a fair assessment. I don't even particularly know what it means. But it was also Friday, and after putting like 30 mins into trying to sort generally where my feelings on the game were at, I wanted to go drink some beer and chill, not get into a back and forth with someone right then.

As far as how I feel about Bell, I don't know if it was a bad faith bit of shading or not. I guess I'll see what he does with it or if he wants to explain further.

[VP Baltar]

"you can't townread cephrir for being the only one to think about this because i did too. but i didn't really since it was a half baked idea"

plz tell me what is wrong with my characterization or what the town motivation is

Lol, Greeting can certainly townread you for it. Just wasn't your idea. Credit where it's due.

Maybe you came to the conclusion independently, idk. Just saying you definitely weren't the first person to bring it up. I think greeting is more town than you, so I'd prefer they have all the information when making their decision on reads. That's my motivation.

This is a perspective slip because of what's unsaid here.

from VPB!town's POV - he should be townreading cephrir for having the same thought process as he does - unless he wants to claim that Cephrir is just plagiarizing him 800 posts later or w/e but that's clearly not his intent as he didn't even state things in the way Cephrir did.

Instead he seems peeved that Cephrir is getting town-read for a post that he already made - the goal isn't actually because he thinks Cephrir is scum - he just wants his own town cred for "saying something similar" which is kind of ????

Like this game isn't about seeing who can score the most town!points for statements about game state - this game is about sorting between bad guys and good guys. VP's entire conversation with Cephrir isn't about sorting Cephrir - it's about saying oh it's unfair Ceph is getting credit for something that I already said sort of kind of - which is not a town mindset.

Addressed this already in reply to greeting. I think you're wrong that I should automatically be townreading cephrir for having the same thought as me....that's like D-tier level thinking.

As far as my motivation for stating it, I think it's a kind of bad faith reading to say I'm fishing for town points there, but I acknowledge I care way more about things being accurate first than maybe people in a mafia game need to worry about.

I would have said the same thing if it had been someone else's idea that cephrir was stating and greeting misattributed the source, had I noticed it.

[VP Baltar]

Me not remembering you is a sign that you haven't made any notable pushes, and you're here in the thread but not making waves. It's not that I haven't read your posts or parts of your ISO.

Do you think you are making waves? cause like, I have news for you....

Terrible deflection

Also you have more than twice as many posts as I have, so not at all relevant

Not really. My point is that your assessment is not only wrong, but hypocritical. I'm trying to get you to realize that your subjective experience of my play and your ability to remember it doesn't actually say anything about my alignment.

I can't remember a stance you actually took before you started this dumb fight, but does that mean you haven't taken stances? Probably not! It probably means I need to go do some reading.

Yes, I post more than you. So what? I'm also voting, trying to figure out what I think is best on the mechs, pushing people to talk to me about things I think actually could be AI, and generally being pretty transparent about my reads on situations. This is all pretty clear in my ISO, which you insinuate you have actually read, so your accusation of active lurking rings pretty hollow. There are definitely people you could point to in this game who ARE active lurking (Titus, kittens), but I don't expect you to acknowledge that because it kind of pops your balloon.

[VP Baltar]

cuz from what i remember of your d1 play when you get heat, you usually just tell everyone to fuck off and claim you are town and refuse to give a shit

here you're doing some real performative bendy twisty readlist that looks like you basically just pulled up isos one by one and wrote some shit out like some kid who hasn't done his homework and is busy trying to write it all out b4 the teacher shows up.

I do find it kind of funny that right after I point out you're not really a presence in this game and haven't even attacked me, which is highly unusual for town!pooky, you magically show up and try to play tough.

Hmm, ok ok, noted down, bear .

[VP Baltar]

ok but where are your hipshots

Pew pew

[VP Baltar]

you've been playing for 13 years and you can't link me a single game where you made a readlist on d1 as town?

p wild ngl

FUCKEN
DEAD

Oh hi. What are your reads?

[VP Baltar]

yea being nice cuz he's a scumbag

I can definitely be meaner. I don't think it's always very good for games when I am and I'm trying to be better about that generally.

Nothing this game has really gotten me tilted though either.

[VP Baltar]

I kind of want CSF/Andante/Catboi/Me for my bomb team

An aside:
Pooky Posse, Pooky personality cult, Pookybomb squad.
sigh. I shouldn't realy see anything into that, but it always triggers me a little when I see him do that, jut due to how many times they've done it as scum, even though I think they do it as town(?) too.

Huh? I'm not following what you're meaning here?

[VP Baltar]

Pooky's group proposals are kind of terrible, and I'm not sure why we would want pooky anywhere near a bomb....

[VP Baltar]

I'd prefer if I was in this group with Frogster and Greeting

Also a no.

[VP Baltar]

Considered posting 13 more times so this page is all me being awake at 5am talking to myself, but I have fully caught up from where I left off.

[VP Baltar]

read like characterizations first and sorting people second.

What does this mean though? At first I thought maybe I knew what you're saying, like I am giving personality traits or something...but I don't think I'm doing that and I'm not really sure what you actually mean

[VP Baltar]

I still dunno where the fire resistance is from, we’re 47 pages in. Time to kill somebody.

I would like to see you sell me on fire and not just luke. It feels kind of bad faith for us to lim him solely on some luke reactions you didn't like.

Fire's interactions this game don't look that scummy to me, so I'm having a hard time getting the tunnel on him. (Yes, I know you said this is a luke thing, I'm just saying!)

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