KTaNE [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.10

• with
  19
  votes in play, it takes
  10
  to make a decision.
  
• day 1 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-06 19:15:00)
  .
  
• 8
  players who have the most nominations at eod1 will be bomb experts on n1.

execution:

Morning Tweet [4]:

Cephrir, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Titus

fireisredsir [3]:

Bell, Menalque, Malakittens

VP Baltar [3]:

Frogsterking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever

GuiltyLion [3]:

Morning Tweet, Dwlee99, Greeting

Frogsterking [1]:

StrangeMatter

StrangeMatter [1]:

VP Baltar

catboi [1]:

Enchant

not voting [3]:

Andresvmb, Andante, catboi

bomb expert nominations:

Andante [12]:

Menalque, Malakittens, Titus, fireisredsir, Cephrir, Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, VP Baltar, Cat Scratch Fever, StrangeMatter, Bell, Enchant

Greeting [10]:

catboi, Cephrir, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Bell, VP Baltar, StrangeMatter, Enchant

Frogsterking [8]:

Titus, VP Baltar, Malakittens, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet, Greeting, GuiltyLion, Enchant

catboi [8]:

VP Baltar, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell, fireisredsir, Cat Scratch Fever, Andante, Cephrir, Enchant

PookyTheMagicalBear [6]:

Andante, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking, fireisredsir, Enchant

Cat Scratch Fever [5]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, Cephrir, Enchant

Malakittens [4]:

Enchant, Menalque, Frogsterking, PookyTheMagicalBear

Dwlee99 [4]:

VP Baltar, Titus, Cephrir, Enchant

Morning Tweet [3]:

Malakittens, Greeting, Enchant

Titus [3]:

Malakittens, PookyTheMagicalBear, Enchant

Cephrir [3]:

Titus, Frogsterking, Enchant

StrangeMatter [3]:

Frogsterking, Greeting, Enchant

GuiltyLion [2]:

Malakittens, Enchant

Menalque [2]:

GuiltyLion, Enchant

fireisredsir [1]:

Enchant

VP Baltar [1]:

Enchant

Andresvmb [1]:

Enchant

Bell [1]:

Enchant

not nominating [2]:

Andresvmb, Dwlee99

mod notes:

• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

[Bell]

Please post in complete sentences. I’m not a hypocrite *sweats*

[Andante]

I mean, I don't understand why I have SO MANY heals... idk what the vote for a lim even is, no one is really pushing who their voting, but I'm in no rush for a wagon till bomb expert is dealt with

[Bell]

I mean,
This is from my perspective and it is not necessarily the correct one.
But I tend to think that you’re just not a threat to scum, a lot of people called you out as town and scum don’t feel like engaging with you on a back and forth by holding a different view from the majority or having to deal with the attention.

[Bell]

I could easily see you also just writing the wrong instructions for a bomb defusal, on *accident*
So maybe they’re hoping you screw up and flail around while they giggle in a corner.

[Enchant]

I mean, I don't understand why I have SO MANY heals... idk what the vote for a lim even is, no one is really pushing who their voting, but I'm in no rush for a wagon till bomb expert is dealt with

Because you are easier to push for guilt if mafia decide to sabotage disarming in your team.

...
You thinked it's privelegy?

[fireisredsir]

I think the scummiest thing about fire's play so far is that they seem to be playing it entirely safe with their their posting and not ruffle feathers at all

most of the people whose feathers i would like to ruffle have disappeared

[GuiltyLion]

hello, I am here and will be around for a bit, still have not read the VP Baltar game, about to read up but will respond in real time if anyone wants to chit chat

[fireisredsir]

I wanted to wait until

GuiltyLion

comes back and question him, but he didn't show up.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

The reason for this is a very specific type of scumread, which is relying on consensus reads. Consensus reads, in my opinion, useless and counterproductive for town right now, but very useful for scum. The pool of townies should be a sum of individual townreads. Not "x is town because y is town and townreads x". Forming associations like this Day 1 is a bad strategy as they are unsupported by any hard data as to whom is voting out whom and whom is nominating for bomb expert (which is equated to being a townread in this game). We'll get the hard data once Day 1 is over. Right now this is just constantly shifting and it's not uncommon for mafia to be distancing themselves from one another.

so you're saying that lion is doing this and therefore he is scum? can you point out the posts? i don't see the connection between what he's posted and what you're saying. or are you saying that consensus reads are useful for finding scum, and so you're scumreading him bc he's not a consensus townread? i just don't really follow what your point is here and how it leads to a lion vote

[GuiltyLion]

I think fire is a good D1 execution by the way. I'm looking to compromise vote on fire EoD if this VP wagon doesn't take off.

Luke's ISO would be the main reason I would want to lim that slot today but have any of fire's posts moved the needle for you at all? I don't have any idea what scum!fire is capable of but nothing they've posted has felt scummy or disingenuous to me so far

[GuiltyLion]

Why would you care at all if me/Andante/Frogsterking or whomever else was a consensus townread? Why does it matter so much?

I want to heal people that have a solid chance of being bomb experts, no point in vanity heals

and if people were scumreading my most confident townreads I'd want to hash that out with them

however, neither of those situations really applied (other than Dwlee SRing Andante for ???? reasons), so fortunately to me I didn't have to do any of that and could just vote my heals

[GuiltyLion]

I really just think game state is pointing to town consensus being wrong right now

can you explain this statement in FAR greater detail

a) what do you see is the current "game state"

b) what is the "town consensus" opinion that is wrong?

and

how does a) provide evidence for b)?

[Andante]

only 7 people aren't healing me.... 19 player game... how the heck do I have 12 votes? that's scary to me

[GuiltyLion]

Andante you've said a few times you don't TR/scumread the other people that have a ton of votes, can you remind me which ones would you rather not be grouped with

[fireisredsir]

only 7 people aren't healing me.... 19 player game... how the heck do I have 12 votes? that's scary to me

i can unheal you if you want lol i just thought you wanted to be bomb expert and that we were trying to make your pooky team be the top 4

[GuiltyLion]

also who's good at reading dwlee? I think it'd be fun to put them in a group with people who can read them. Any volunteers?

I'd rather Dwlee not be a bomb expert at all currently

[Andante]

no greeting, no frogster, no mala, no titus, no strange, no vp, no andres

and I'm just saying, I don't want to be with 3 of them... like, no.. everyone else I can either read better in a hood, or I think we'll do good in a hood

[GuiltyLion]

GL is there any reason you can't townsend Menalque for me?

what does "townsend" mean? like prompt him to do towntell somehow?

or are you asking me to unheal him?

[Andante]

also who's good at reading dwlee? I think it'd be fun to put them in a group with people who can read them. Any volunteers?

I'd rather Dwlee not be a bomb expert at all currently

oh and no dwlee in my hood.. please...

[Andante]

like, if people have objections to my request just don't put me in a hood...

[GuiltyLion]

I think his reason for keeping his vote on me is weak, but at least he is trying to come up with something?

did you miss that I switched to MT a while back

maybe that might help with some of your qualms around me not reading your game yet either

[GuiltyLion]

overall I kinda think 1139 vibes like a townie readslist post

I disagree with chunks of it but the level of recall for specific events and the things VP Baltar looks at to put together his reads feels genuine to me overall

he could still be scum but I kinda think he'd be a bad D1 lim

[catboi]

I think fire is a good D1 execution by the way. I'm looking to compromise vote on fire EoD if this VP wagon doesn't take off.

Luke's ISO would be the main reason I would want to lim that slot today but have any of fire's posts moved the needle for you at all? I don't have any idea what scum!fire is capable of but nothing they've posted has felt scummy or disingenuous to me so far

The problem is that "not scummy/disingenuous" is not a high bar toclaer, and I haven't actually seen anything from them that is hitting me as overtly towny, which is a problem when their slot was starting off from a negative position in my eyes and other people are at least giving me some sense of towniness.

[Titus]

like, if people have objections to my request just don't put me in a hood...

I would but a) I'd have to try without data and b) that leave you open to being the diffuser

[GuiltyLion]

no greeting, no frogster, no mala, no titus, no strange, no vp, no andres

I agree mala/andres/strange should not be in a bomb expert position at the moment

Titus I wouldn't mind but don't feel a burning need to put her in a hood

VP needs more thought from me

Greeting/Frog I am townreading and think we could trust their intentions in a hood - is this more overall you don't trust them to be town or you don't think you'd work well with them even if they are town?