KTaNE [game over!]

[fireisredsir]

ty for the menalque history lesson. that doesn't really change my opinions tbh but i understand why you have yours at least

[fireisredsir]

With regard to menalque his preference is toward playing town, I got out of a scumgame recently where he was awkward as fuck, he seemed unbothered here early, good enough for a gut read. He doesn't have as much time for playing games these days so I don't think the lack of presence is particularly an alignment tell for him.

could you link that game? i was scumreading him off something closer to awkwardness anyway, not lack of presence

[catboi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

He was a late day 1 replace in but not contextually equivalent but it felt like he was never able to get his footing in that game

[Titus]

I need to be diffuser on even nights if I am one

Ok.

HEAL: Adante

[VP Baltar]

I think his reason for keeping his vote on me is weak, but at least he is trying to come up with something?

did you miss that I switched to MT a while back

maybe that might help with some of your qualms around me not reading your game yet either

Oh that's right you did switch. I was skimming during that section, but now that you mention it, I did see you voting MT

[Cat Scratch Fever]

do you think it's a fair assessment of your post? like does it affect your read of Bell?

I don't think it's a fair assessment. I don't even particularly know what it means. But it was also Friday, and after putting like 30 mins into trying to sort generally where my feelings on the game were at, I wanted to go drink some beer and chill, not get into a back and forth with someone right then.

As far as how I feel about Bell, I don't know if it was a bad faith bit of shading or not. I guess I'll see what he does with it or if he wants to explain further.

I thought it was scummy to post a readslist and not want to talk about it, since that's the primary reason for posting one. Your explanation for not wanting to get into a back and forth right away is plausible though I'm not sure i believe it. Since it doesn't really move the needle for me, let's just move on.

Your scumpool is alarming.

The one point you made against me that was valid was that I have not engaged a lot with you, which is probably true. But everything else I didn't think was fair.

There's Strange who is kind of just always LHF, because he struggles with expressing himself. Idk if you've played with him before and I won't hold this point against you if you haven't, but this scumread doesn't sway my opinion of you.

There's Titus, who I think was sick or something, and confidently asserted that she sometimes takes a backseat day 1. Why would she lie about something that can be so easily fact checked?

For Mala - idk how to read Koba and admittedly, the longer Mala goes without posting, the more concerned I get. The time I played with town Mala years ago, I vaguely recall her being obvtown. But she also has a busy/stressful job, so imo give her a couple more RL days to get into the game.

Overall, it gave me the impression that you went like: "hmm I have CSF and Strange in here and I should probably have a couple more scumreads, why not throw Titus and Mala in here?"

The other problem I have with your readslist is that I'm not sure everything tracks - fire is town because you vibe with his reads. But fire's scumpool {MT, Menalque, Andres} doesn't overlap with your scumpool here, so I'm not sure how that ended up being town for you

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Not really. My point is that your assessment is not only wrong, but hypocritical. I'm trying to get you to realize that your subjective experience of my play and your ability to remember it doesn't actually say anything about my alignment.

I can't remember a stance you actually took before you started this dumb fight, but does that mean you haven't taken stances? Probably not! It probably means I need to go do some reading.

Yes, I post more than you. So what? I'm also voting, trying to figure out what I think is best on the mechs, pushing people to talk to me about things I think actually could be AI, and generally being pretty transparent about my reads on situations. This is all pretty clear in my ISO, which you insinuate you have actually read, so your accusation of active lurking rings pretty hollow. There are definitely people you could point to in this game who ARE active lurking (Titus, kittens), but I don't expect you to acknowledge that because it kind of pops your balloon.

I acknowledge this post, but I doubt going back and forth on this further will produce any useful info or be fun to read for everyone else.

[fireisredsir]

vp do you think you'd try to pocket me if you were scum here

be honest

[Bell]

Koba is what I call a cutt throat. They are motivated to win and enjoy winning.
But they came in here as an alt so I don’t know what they were going for in this game, I also never learned if they stress more as scum or if they left this game specifically because of their alignment plist or something else.

If it had been Koba, No alt. I would’ve been scum reading them this game.

[Bell]

Titus for the love of god. What are you doing this game?

[VP Baltar]

I thought it was scummy to post a readslist and not want to talk about it, since that's the primary reason for posting one.

That's not accurate. Happy to talk about, but my primary reason for posting one was to help sort my own thoughts since I haven't felt a solid direction in this game yet. I believe I stated this.

[VP Baltar]

There's Strange who is kind of just always LHF, because he struggles with expressing himself. Idk if you've played with him before and I won't hold this point against you if you haven't, but this scumread doesn't sway my opinion of you

I have not played with strange before. Do they get mislimmed a lot D1?

[VP Baltar]

There's Titus, who I think was sick or something, and confidently asserted that she sometimes takes a backseat day 1. Why would she lie about something that can be so easily fact checked?

I've played with Titus a few times, and there is a difference between laying back/mostly sheeping D1, and just not doing anything.

Titus is very smart and I feel like I can get stuff going with her if she is town, so I'm not being unfair to her in the slightest to say I don't find it townie to just not play D1. I don't think she even seems to disagree with that.

[Bell]

SM: Only played one game with them. I tunneled on them with a conspiracy theory. But they were mechanically cleared based on set up expectations I think if they hadn’t claimed what they’d claimed it would not have been a particularly difficult to miseliminate them accidentally. They have their idiosyncrasies, yes.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Bell is probably just scum.

Highly unlikely at this point.

I don't know about "highly unlikely" but I am trending in that direction after the posts I just read on this page

[Cat Scratch Fever]

There's Strange who is kind of just always LHF, because he struggles with expressing himself. Idk if you've played with him before and I won't hold this point against you if you haven't, but this scumread doesn't sway my opinion of you

I have not played with strange before. Do they get mislimmed a lot D1?

Idk about mislimmed D1 but she has trouble stringing words together in a coherent manner, so I feel like everything they write can be perceived as flailing

[VP Baltar]

vp do you think you'd try to pocket me if you were scum here

be honest

I don't think I'm even good at pocketing, and I'm not sure if I'd have a lot to gain by trying to pocket someone D1, let alone someone who might get limmed.

The times I see scum pocket more successfully, it is D2 or later and they save someone who is in trouble. FlavorLeaf did that to me pretty successfully in a game awhile back.

[VP Baltar]

Koba is what I call a cutt throat. They are motivated to win and enjoy winning.
But they came in here as an alt so I don’t know what they were going for in this game, I also never learned if they stress more as scum or if they left this game specifically because of their alignment plist or something else.

If it had been Koba, No alt. I would’ve been scum reading them this game.

I'm not sure what the alt changes, but yeah koba is vicious as town D1, and I definitely didn't feel that here. Even when they were calling me scum, it seemed half hearted

[catboi]

Bell is probably just scum.

Highly unlikely at this point.

I don't know about "highly unlikely" but I am trending in that direction after the posts I just read on this page

Why were you scumreading him in the first place?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

also who's good at reading dwlee? I think it'd be fun to put them in a group with people who can read them. Any volunteers?

I'd rather Dwlee not be a bomb expert at all currently

oh and no dwlee in my hood.. please...

if you guys are interested in wagoning there, I'm down

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Bell is probably just scum.

Highly unlikely at this point.

I don't know about "highly unlikely" but I am trending in that direction after the posts I just read on this page

Why were you scumreading him in the first place?

He had a reason to scumread VP, but didn't want to support his elim. Felt partner-y

Ik pooky said that's the opposite of what scum Bell would do in that situation, but that's what I felt at the time

[Andante]

also who's good at reading dwlee? I think it'd be fun to put them in a group with people who can read them. Any volunteers?

I'd rather Dwlee not be a bomb expert at all currently

oh and no dwlee in my hood.. please...

if you guys are interested in wagoning there, I'm down

I told yall I'm not voting anyone till we deal with bombs... so many people seem unconcerned about dealing with bomb experts and just want the lims to happen...

[catboi]

Bell is probably just scum.

Highly unlikely at this point.

I don't know about "highly unlikely" but I am trending in that direction after the posts I just read on this page

Why were you scumreading him in the first place?

He had a reason to scumread VP, but didn't want to support his elim. Felt partner-y

Ik pooky said that's the opposite of what scum Bell would do in that situation, but that's what I felt at the time

preflip associations are bad, especially on day 1 o(-`д´- ｡)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm only healing you and the two people you want to be in a hood there so I can't help you there

[Cat Scratch Fever]

yeah that's fair

I was also peeved that when VP was coming under pressure, and it looked like we may finally get a serious wagon going, he came in was like "no but LUKE"