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[April Ludgate]

unfortunately, no can do.

I have 3 votes on me, with 4 votes out there that would be willing to hop over.

hmm and will they see the light if you die or is it not worth it

No clue, I wouldn't be paying attention afterwards.

All I know is I'm nearing a solve if I don't have it already, and that's good enough for me.

I got the 2nd best reads in this game right now.

[April Ludgate]

My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.

But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.

Given your wall on Datisi that I was reading, I really don't know how Galron fits in with your suspicions list here

Cape, if you're town, which of STD/Tene are scum?

[tenebrousluminary]

My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.

But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.

Given your wall on Datisi that I was reading, I really don't know how Galron fits in with your suspicions list here

I don't think I'm ready to eliminate their interactions as potentially bussing or one-way bussing. The fact it resolved itself for no clear reason didn't sit that well with me.

[tenebrousluminary]

These are the type of players that even after a FrogScum flip, if Fire dies, flips town, I still would get pushed because of no analytical prowess.

No wonder you like VP so much, you're the same person. "I can be wrong, but if anyone dares to suspect ME they're stupid and how dare they"

[April Ludgate]

unfortunately, no can do.

I have 3 votes on me, with 4 votes out there that would be willing to hop over.

hmm and will they see the light if you die or is it not worth it

Also, these two have been taking these jabs all game, so it was more of a reaching the boiling point kinda moment.

STD has barely been playing, and coast sitting on me since Day 2.


I actively saved Tene when I came into this game without even having him claim, which has absolutely no scum benefits there. he was close to E-1, makes no sense to defend them without letting them claim as scum.

[Cape90]

VOTE: Eyes Without A Face

I could see Save the Dragons as mafia. Which would make April town

With this I see no such clearing partner associations for Eyes.

[April Ludgate]

These are the type of players that even after a FrogScum flip, if Fire dies, flips town, I still would get pushed because of no analytical prowess.

No wonder you like VP so much, you're the same person. "I can be wrong, but if anyone dares to suspect ME they're stupid and how dare they"

Simplification.

And yeah, it was dumb of us to go after VPB hindsight.

That was earlier in game.

You still are analyzing like it's day 2 with no additional analysis level up.

There are 3 heavy day phases you can actively look and find the reasons why I'm obv as fuck town, but you guys can't even comprehend it because you just don't want to.

Simple as that :shrug:

That's fine. Be wrong this late in the game phase on a slot with actual evidence of a tunnel+pocketed town POV.

[April Ludgate]

None of this is personal, btw. I just get hyped up when games get this good.

[Cape90]

My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.

But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.

Given your wall on Datisi that I was reading, I really don't know how Galron fits in with your suspicions list here

Cape, if you're town, which of STD/Tene are scum?

I would say STD definitely actually

[April Ludgate]

I start throwing punches, you tryna take me down, imma go down swinging. Bet

[fireisredsir]

i don't wanna have to pull out the shepherd... uh... stick? what's that called? a crook? anyway I don't wanna have to pull that out again, but dragons and tene you followed me last time to the promised land of titus, can you do it again just for today away from the unpromised land of april? and into any of frog/cape/eyes

[April Ludgate]

My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.

But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.

Given your wall on Datisi that I was reading, I really don't know how Galron fits in with your suspicions list here

Cape, if you're town, which of STD/Tene are scum?

I would say STD definitely actually

I would like that to be true for my own sanity of hopping into the game, and I just picked the wrong one of my 2 initial scum reads in Malcolm/STD.

I feel like I've been just slightly off all game, and Titus pocket made me more sure of it.

@Fire - This was another odd move by Cape if Cape is scum. Just like when Cape came after me that one day phase that just felt really dangerous as scum. Could you see Frog/Eyes/STD?

[Cape90]

My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.

But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.

Given your wall on Datisi that I was reading, I really don't know how Galron fits in with your suspicions list here

Cape, if you're town, which of STD/Tene are scum?

I would say STD definitely actually

I would like that to be true for my own sanity of hopping into the game, and I just picked the wrong one of my 2 initial scum reads in Malcolm/STD.

I feel like I've been just slightly off all game, and Titus pocket made me more sure of it.

@Fire - This was another odd move by Cape if Cape is scum. Just like when Cape came after me that one day phase that just felt really dangerous as scum. Could you see Frog/Eyes/STD?

How is it an odd move.

I don't get this thought

[April Ludgate]

At the end of the day, I'm pretty emotionless, but able to mimic emotion as town/scum, and this is just a puffing of the chest tactic.

Gotta do what ya gotta do. I think Tene was right. There was something I could do to help them town read me.

And I think we went through it together, and that they're actually thinking things over, but needs to let it sit.

STD, yeah, there's nothing there.

[fireisredsir]

@Fire - This was another odd move by Cape if Cape is scum. Just like when Cape came after me that one day phase that just felt really dangerous as scum. Could you see Frog/Eyes/STD?

not really! my townblock (math/std/april/deas) is pretty locked for me, unless any of them is a traitor. i don't see any as aligned with titus. frog/cape/eyes are my top 3, followed by galron, then scorp, then tene

[April Ludgate]

My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.

But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.

Given your wall on Datisi that I was reading, I really don't know how Galron fits in with your suspicions list here

Cape, if you're town, which of STD/Tene are scum?

I would say STD definitely actually

I would like that to be true for my own sanity of hopping into the game, and I just picked the wrong one of my 2 initial scum reads in Malcolm/STD.

I feel like I've been just slightly off all game, and Titus pocket made me more sure of it.

@Fire - This was another odd move by Cape if Cape is scum. Just like when Cape came after me that one day phase that just felt really dangerous as scum. Could you see Frog/Eyes/STD?

How is it an odd move.

I don't get this thought

It's an odd move if you were scum because you relieved me of some heat by quite a bit, even if you didn't realize it.

Unfortunately, that also ties us a bit together more, which is almost more damning for you than it is me.

So that's why i feel it's a weird scum move by you, and makes you a bit townier to me.

Especially considering STD's play, and I go back to that all town neighborhood feel.

[April Ludgate]

Maybe we should mass claim.

Scorp:VT
April: VT

[April Ludgate]

@Fire - This was another odd move by Cape if Cape is scum. Just like when Cape came after me that one day phase that just felt really dangerous as scum. Could you see Frog/Eyes/STD?

not really! my townblock (math/std/april/deas) is pretty locked for me, unless any of them is a traitor. i don't see any as aligned with titus. frog/cape/eyes are my top 3, followed by galron, then scorp, then tene

I just find it weird because Cape easily could have just pushed me as well, and it would have been enough momentum to bring others on me, especially with the way I was posting at the time.

Seems anti-scum agenda.

[tenebrousluminary]

VOTE: Eyes Without A Face

I could see Save the Dragons as mafia. Which would make April town

With this I see no such clearing partner associations for Eyes.

Why is this not a Dragons vote?

These are the type of players that even after a FrogScum flip, if Fire dies, flips town, I still would get pushed because of no analytical prowess.

No wonder you like VP so much, you're the same person. "I can be wrong, but if anyone dares to suspect ME they're stupid and how dare they"

Simplification.

And yeah, it was dumb of us to go after VPB hindsight.

That was earlier in game.

You still are analyzing like it's day 2 with no additional analysis level up.

There are 3 heavy day phases you can actively look and find the reasons why I'm obv as fuck town, but you guys can't even comprehend it because you just don't want to.

Simple as that :shrug:

That's fine. Be wrong this late in the game phase on a slot with actual evidence of a tunnel+pocketed town POV.

Did you miss the part where I literally just did a bunch of analysis based on the titus flip?

i don't wanna have to pull out the shepherd... uh... stick? what's that called? a crook? anyway I don't wanna have to pull that out again, but dragons and tene you followed me last time to the promised land of titus, can you do it again just for today away from the unpromised land of april? and into any of frog/cape/eyes

@Fire - This was another odd move by Cape if Cape is scum. Just like when Cape came after me that one day phase that just felt really dangerous as scum. Could you see Frog/Eyes/STD?

not really! my townblock (math/std/april/deas) is pretty locked for me, unless any of them is a traitor. i don't see any as aligned with titus. frog/cape/eyes are my top 3, followed by galron, then scorp, then tene

I want to ask you to explain most of these reads (not cape, I remember that one) but you probably already have.

[fireisredsir]

i think scumteam doesn't really have anyone who can lead town anymore. so they're probably not really coordinating well among themselves either, and just hoping to do whatever they can individually to get townread. that's my theory at least. we can hold off on the massclaim until tomorrow

[tenebrousluminary]

FWIW April if it is not personal you may want to think twice about comments like "no analytical prowess". Both personal and snooty.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't wanna have to pull out the shepherd... uh... stick? what's that called? a crook? anyway I don't wanna have to pull that out again, but dragons and tene you followed me last time to the promised land of titus, can you do it again just for today away from the unpromised land of april? and into any of frog/cape/eyes

im tired

ive been thinking april every day but the rug always gets pulled out from under me when momentum shifts that way

today i mean it i'm not budging

[tenebrousluminary]

I would rather not massclaim in the immediate future.

[Save The Dragons]

i think april is trying to get a rise out of people

[fireisredsir]

im tired

ive been thinking april every day but the rug always gets pulled out from under me when momentum shifts that way

today i mean it i'm not budging

i mean that's fair, i get it. i just think we'll be in a much safer spot if we flip another scum today, it's not impossible that there's 4 scum+1 traitor or 3 scum+2 traitor, and in either of those situations things get a lot more sketchy.

and i believe our best chance of flipping a scum is in cape/eyes/frog