Open 848: Chromavalon: A Bouquet of Colors [Game Over]

[Umlaut]

I want to understand the Dunnstral case because it seems like a lot of people are in enough agreement to put him at L-1 but I just... don't. It seems like it's Noraa saying "trust me folks Dunn is absolutely scum, I know scum!Dunn when I see it" and everyone else going along with it. I mean Dunn could be scum just like anyone who isn't towntelling could be scum, but I don't see anything to make me pick them out of the lineup. What am I missing?

[Umlaut]

I have played a fair few games with Dunn and can say I'm astonished that anyone thinks they can read him with 100% accuracy so quickly

[Enchant]

I want to understand the Dunnstral case because it seems like a lot of people are in enough agreement to put him at L-1 but I just... don't. It seems like it's Noraa saying "trust me folks Dunn is absolutely scum, I know scum!Dunn when I see it" and everyone else going along with it. I mean Dunn could be scum just like anyone who isn't towntelling could be scum, but I don't see anything to make me pick them out of the lineup. What am I missing?

Really.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[furtiveglance]

I admit that I have been scummy. Because of that, I find it suspicious how furtive is still on my side after all this time. Definitely feels like they have some ulterior motive.

I'm willing to sheep in the Dunn/Furtive theory.

VOTE: Dunnstral

If this is wrong, you might flashwagon me instead of Noraa, because I doubt my reputation would recover after that.

I read Newbie 2087 and you sound pretty similar. That's why I townread you. You're saying I have an ulterior motive, I trust you're not saying you're mafia, so you think I'm mafia defending you (town). Explain how that makes sense?

[furtiveglance]

I want to understand the Dunnstral case because it seems like a lot of people are in enough agreement to put him at L-1 but I just... don't. It seems like it's Noraa saying "trust me folks Dunn is absolutely scum, I know scum!Dunn when I see it" and everyone else going along with it. I mean Dunn could be scum just like anyone who isn't towntelling could be scum, but I don't see anything to make me pick them out of the lineup. What am I missing?

Really.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I believe that was hammer, if you weren't aware. Why hammer so fast?

[Umlaut]

I admit that I have been scummy. Because of that, I find it suspicious how furtive is still on my side after all this time. Definitely feels like they have some ulterior motive.

The duplication of the phrase "ulterior motive" suggests to me that Progo and Gamma are not scum together; scum!Progo would be hyper-conscious of their buddy's wording and not want to imitate it.

Pedit: oh ffs

[Umlaut]

Please ignore everyone saying "flashwagon me tomorrow if this is wrong" and flashwagon Enchant if this is wrong

[Enchant]

I want to understand the Dunnstral case because it seems like a lot of people are in enough agreement to put him at L-1 but I just... don't. It seems like it's Noraa saying "trust me folks Dunn is absolutely scum, I know scum!Dunn when I see it" and everyone else going along with it. I mean Dunn could be scum just like anyone who isn't towntelling could be scum, but I don't see anything to make me pick them out of the lineup. What am I missing?

Really.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I believe that was hammer, if you weren't aware. Why hammer so fast?

Because i can.

[furtiveglance]

We had 10 days left......I really hope this flips red

[Dunnstral]

Please ignore everyone saying "flashwagon me tomorrow if this is wrong" and flashwagon Enchant if this is wrong

Good call. Enchant is my biggest scumread right now, even before and not really related to the hammer.

[Enchant]

Please ignore everyone saying "flashwagon me tomorrow if this is wrong" and flashwagon Enchant if this is wrong

Good call. Enchant is my biggest scumread right now, even before and not really related to the hammer.

So you are town.
I quess i die.

[Dunnstral]

I could have been mafia trying to figure out if you were a muse or not from your hammer, but I guess that didn't occur to you.

[Enchant]

I could have been mafia trying to figure out if you were a muse or not from your hammer, but I guess that didn't occur to you.

Damn.

[Noraa]

nothing about this situation that would make me surprised if Dunn and Noraa were both town.

I would be very very very surprised if dunn were town here

[Noraa]

I think Titus and Umlaut are my biggest scumreads.

These are such lazy reads tbh. We'll take a good look at you tomorrow though dont worry

[Gamma Emerald]

That was a rather unceremonious hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

Please ignore everyone saying "flashwagon me tomorrow if this is wrong" and flashwagon Enchant if this is wrong

Good call. Enchant is my biggest scumread right now, even before and not really related to the hammer.

So you are town.
I quess i die.

I could have been mafia trying to figure out if you were a muse or not from your hammer, but I guess that didn't occur to you.

Damn.

Yeah this isn’t great

[Noraa]

I want to understand the Dunnstral case because it seems like a lot of people are in enough agreement to put him at L-1 but I just... don't. It seems like it's Noraa saying "trust me folks Dunn is absolutely scum, I know scum!Dunn when I see it" and everyone else going along with it. I mean Dunn could be scum just like anyone who isn't towntelling could be scum, but I don't see anything to make me pick them out of the lineup. What am I missing?

Um ok I'll try to explain it. I just got out of bed so bear with me. Dunn is scum because well, for one, Dunn cares about what people think in general. And town Dunn has enough confidence in their reads to not care (town dunn has good reads btw). Town Dunn is more often than not scumread for really stupid reasons: activity, tone, whatever. But Dunn is much better at towntelling as scum than town because they actually actively trying to be townread.

Dunn is really good at mafia in my opinion. Town Dunn is good at catching scum and Scum Dunn is good at being townread. But the issue is that there is a drastic difference between the two, at least from my perspective, there is.

[Noraa]

I have played a fair few games with Dunn and can say I'm astonished that anyone thinks they can read him with 100% accuracy so quickly

I don't know. This quick hammer makes me fucking nervous to be absolutely honest but i definitely still think this flips scum.
Like, im a wreck right now, probably more than anyone else because im scared im wrong. But a half of me is partying because im like so sure it is right.
I dont know how to explain this lmao.

[Noraa]

Please ignore everyone saying "flashwagon me tomorrow if this is wrong" and flashwagon Enchant if this is wrong

It's not wrong and there's probably bussers. We'll see tomorrow.

[Dunnstral]

I want to understand the Dunnstral case because it seems like a lot of people are in enough agreement to put him at L-1 but I just... don't. It seems like it's Noraa saying "trust me folks Dunn is absolutely scum, I know scum!Dunn when I see it" and everyone else going along with it. I mean Dunn could be scum just like anyone who isn't towntelling could be scum, but I don't see anything to make me pick them out of the lineup. What am I missing?

Um ok I'll try to explain it. I just got out of bed so bear with me. Dunn is scum because well, for one, Dunn cares about what people think in general. And town Dunn has enough confidence in their reads to not care (town dunn has good reads btw). Town Dunn is more often than not scumread for really stupid reasons: activity, tone, whatever. But Dunn is much better at towntelling as scum than town because they actually actively trying to be townread.

Dunn is really good at mafia in my opinion. Town Dunn is good at catching scum and Scum Dunn is good at being townread. But the issue is that there is a drastic difference between the two, at least from my perspective, there is.

Going to point out that you didn't actually answer the question, which is why am I scum in this game. You instead gave an overview of your read on my meta with nothing to connect it to the current game at a glance.

[Noraa]

Like I remember the most recent towngame with dunn, dunn was like "oh noraa was spamming dunn is town in your neighborhood?" oh yeah noraa does that and while it's unhelpful, town noraa does that.
And this was while they were getting scumread a lot themselves.

And the thing is that town dunn doesnt make reads to get townreads. Town dunn doesn't really care that they are getting run up. Town dunn is literally just there to read people and who cares what else is happening??? On the other hand, Dunn's SR on me is straight up there in an attempt to get TRs. To your average mafia player (implosion, umlaut), people who look at games in the typical mafia ways, scum dunn is null or towny. But trust me if we threw town dunn into this game, both implosion and umlaut would agree dunn is scummy if this wagon were to happen. Assuming both are town i guess.

[Noraa]

I want to understand the Dunnstral case because it seems like a lot of people are in enough agreement to put him at L-1 but I just... don't. It seems like it's Noraa saying "trust me folks Dunn is absolutely scum, I know scum!Dunn when I see it" and everyone else going along with it. I mean Dunn could be scum just like anyone who isn't towntelling could be scum, but I don't see anything to make me pick them out of the lineup. What am I missing?

Um ok I'll try to explain it. I just got out of bed so bear with me. Dunn is scum because well, for one, Dunn cares about what people think in general. And town Dunn has enough confidence in their reads to not care (town dunn has good reads btw). Town Dunn is more often than not scumread for really stupid reasons: activity, tone, whatever. But Dunn is much better at towntelling as scum than town because they actually actively trying to be townread.

Dunn is really good at mafia in my opinion. Town Dunn is good at catching scum and Scum Dunn is good at being townread. But the issue is that there is a drastic difference between the two, at least from my perspective, there is.

Going to point out that you didn't actually answer the question, which is why am I scum in this game. You instead gave an overview of your read on my meta with nothing to connect it to the current game at a glance.

ok i'll go post by post

[Noraa]

Post 1 was a wordy first post. In general, bad sign. Straight up, may is a scumtell. You like to talk in what i call "fancy terms" when you are scum.

[Noraa]

Post 2 looks like you reworded it a couple times and settled on something short in hopes that it wouldn't trigger a tunnel.