KTaNE [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 2.02

• with
  17
  votes in play, it takes
  9
  to make a decision.
  
• day 2 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-14 21:30:00)
  .
  
• 3
  players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n2.

execution:

Frogsterking [7]:

Greeting, Frogsterking, VP Baltar, Cephrir, StrangeMatter, Mistyx, Andante

not voting [10]:

GuiltyLion, Enchant, Dwlee99, Andresvmb, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, Malakittens, Bell, PookyTheMagicalBear

bomb expert nominations:

Bell [7]:

Andante, VP Baltar, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mistyx, GuiltyLion

VP Baltar [5]:

Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, Andante, PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion

Enchant [4]:

VP Baltar, Andante, Cat Scratch Fever, GuiltyLion

GuiltyLion [2]:

Andante, PookyTheMagicalBear

Dwlee99 [2]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Cephrir

not nominating [10]:

Frogsterking, Enchant, Dwlee99, Greeting, Andresvmb, Menalque, Titus, Malakittens, StrangeMatter, Bell

ineligible to be nominated:

Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Frogsterking, Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir

mod notes:

• Menalque v/la weekends.
  
• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

[Frogsterking]

Reread my interaction where then multiple people come out of nowhere to tell me I'm wrong on frogs.

I definitely think Dwlee is town now

[Andante]

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

Andante is this seriously been your town game this whole time?

I TRed catboi for his day play, how he was before that claim in the PT was not scummy at all, I didn't even care what he claimed. you can not tell me you scumread his 100+ posts of solving in that PT... like as I told you in the PT, you had NO REASON to think your read on catboi was better than literally everyone else. Everyone voted him in as an expert. they TRED HIM. so you thought "I SR catboi. everyone else is wrong. My read is better!!!" ??? yeah no. You not solving, for sure made catboi die. now, we have no way of knowing if someone solved their part wrong. so yeah I think you played terribly, and I'm voting you for it and that is that
Andante why would you just instantly believe an "innocent child daredevil" claim at face value?

[GuiltyLion]

HEAL: VP Baltar

who else is eligible to heal, one sec

Me

we'll see

[Andante]

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

Andante is this seriously been your town game this whole time?

Andante why would you just instantly believe an "innocent child daredevil" claim at face value?

I TRed catboi for his day play, how he was before that claim in the PT was not scummy at all, I didn't even care what he claimed. you can not tell me you scumread his 100+ posts of solving in that PT... like as I told you in the PT, you had NO REASON to think your read on catboi was better than literally everyone else. Everyone voted him in as an expert. they TRED HIM. so you thought "I SR catboi. everyone else is wrong. My read is better!!!" ??? yeah no. You not solving, for sure made catboi die. now, we have no way of knowing if someone solved their part wrong. so yeah I think you played terribly, and I'm voting you for it and that is that

[Frogsterking]

Frog, do you accept now that catboi was town? Does that change your reads at all?

It's hard because I was SUPER deep in my tinfoil, like I was at the level I reached in the Bunnies game when I thought Math+Ari+Dats were the scum team.

I can definitely see Andante being town and being anxious which caused us both to act differently and FoS each other, and I can definitely see myself ego clashing with catboi, who DID NOT explain anything about his role other than demanding that I defuse them bomb.

[GuiltyLion]

actually Frog scum almost certainly hard confirms everyone else in that hood as town right? Assuming he sacrificed himself to take out IC catboi, means there wasn't a better buddy who was worse positioned than he was to take the fall

[Andante]

Frog, do you accept now that catboi was town? Does that change your reads at all?

It's hard because I was SUPER deep in my tinfoil, like I was at the level I reached in the Bunnies game when I thought Math+Ari+Dats were the scum team.

I can definitely see Andante being town and being anxious which caused us both to act differently and FoS each other, and I can definitely see myself ego clashing with catboi, who DID NOT explain anything about his role other than demanding that I defuse them bomb.

what are you referring to that I was anxious about?? I was highly tilted by you, and still am...

[Cat Scratch Fever]

actually Frog scum almost certainly hard confirms everyone else in that hood as town right? Assuming he sacrificed himself to take out IC catboi, means there wasn't a better buddy who was worse positioned than he was to take the fall

yes I think so

[Andante]

actually Frog scum almost certainly hard confirms everyone else in that hood as town right? Assuming he sacrificed himself to take out IC catboi, means there wasn't a better buddy who was worse positioned than he was to take the fall

based on the Andres and Greeting I saw, both of them are town

[Frogsterking]

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

Andante is this seriously been your town game this whole time?

Andante why would you just instantly believe an "innocent child daredevil" claim at face value?

I TRed catboi for his day play, how he was before that claim in the PT was not scummy at all, I didn't even care what he claimed. you can not tell me you scumread his 100+ posts of solving in that PT... like as I told you in the PT, you had NO REASON to think your read on catboi was better than literally everyone else. Everyone voted him in as an expert. they TRED HIM. so you thought "I SR catboi. everyone else is wrong. My read is better!!!" ??? yeah no. You not solving, for sure made catboi die. now, we have no way of knowing if someone solved their part wrong. so yeah I think you played terribly, and I'm voting you for it and that is that

catboi lead the wagon on fire and off of andres. The fact that he did that, combined with being made the defuser magically by an unknown force, AND andres showing up in the same hood are the reasons why I thought catboi should be HEAVILY considered suspicious. These have nothing to do with how popular catboi is or how many people townread him before they saw the flip + night play.

The fact that you, andres and Greeting instantly assumed he was town and didn't find it suspicious that andres was there looked VERY strange.

[VP Baltar]

actually Frog scum almost certainly hard confirms everyone else in that hood as town right? Assuming he sacrificed himself to take out IC catboi, means there wasn't a better buddy who was worse positioned than he was to take the fall

Unless there were role reasons perhaps. What you're saying maybe makes some sense though. (I'm thinking about andres here)

[GuiltyLion]

It is kind of a mystery why Frog didn't do it in a more subtle fashion though? only thing I can guess is solely to ensure less attention to other buddies today?

[Frogsterking]

actually Frog scum almost certainly hard confirms everyone else in that hood as town right? Assuming he sacrificed himself to take out IC catboi, means there wasn't a better buddy who was worse positioned than he was to take the fall

Unless there were role reasons perhaps. What you're saying maybe makes some sense though. (I'm thinking about andres here)

VP in answer to your earlier questions about my reads changing, I definitely think andres is scum, and I also FoS CSF and GuiltyLion now because I don't believe their reactions to the daystart.

[Andante]

It is kind of a mystery why Frog didn't do it in a more subtle fashion though? only thing I can guess is solely to ensure less attention to other buddies today?

I was convinced I was gonna die, someone said scum had a night kill N1, so I was like, oh... trading frogs for me and catboi.. I can see this... makes sense but now? who knows

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It is kind of a mystery why Frog didn't do it in a more subtle fashion though? only thing I can guess is solely to ensure less attention to other buddies today?

yeah I never got a satisfying answer to this

[Greeting]

Andante

, you should ignore him. Do not engage with him and do not legitimise whatever bs he's trying to produce now.

A player with a 2011 joindate does not allow an uncounterclaimed power role, which is easily verifiable to die and continuously derail the PT while being town. There is no tinfoil, just a pretty straightforward scumplay here.

Frogsterking

must go today and this is something that I will not let go. This is the elimination for today. Period.

ELIMINATE FROGSTERKING, IGNORE WHAT HE SAYS AND THAT'S IT.

Thank you for your attention.

[StrangeMatter]

Thinking that Frogs!scum here is using the things they were doing as also been setting up for me being a miselimination based on association.

[Frogsterking]

It is kind of a mystery why Frog didn't do it in a more subtle fashion though? only thing I can guess is solely to ensure less attention to other buddies today?

I was convinced I was gonna die, someone said scum had a night kill N1, so I was like, oh... trading frogs for me and catboi.. I can see this... makes sense but now? who knows

I thought you were scummy for thinking you were going to die because I don't think that your role is very good unless it's scum aligned

[Andante]

Andante

, you should ignore him. Do not engage with him and do not legitimise whatever bs he's trying to produce now.

A player with a 2011 joindate does not allow an uncounterclaimed power role, which is easily verifiable to die and continuously derail the PT while being town. There is no tinfoil, just a pretty straightforward scumplay here.

Frogsterking

must go today and this is something that I will not let go. This is the elimination for today. Period.

ELIMINATE FROGSTERKING, IGNORE WHAT HE SAYS AND THAT'S IT.

Thank you for your attention.

hahaha ahhh I know!!! just like catboi told me 50 million times.. it's hard!! ok, just gotta ignore this!! frogs is too distracting!!

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: frogsterking

i'm going back to sleep

p sure that's E-1

HEAL: Bell

this also still bad btw

[VP Baltar]

I guess the frog scum play here was to get catboi, a good player, into a vulnerable position and just kamikaze him? It's kind of silly, especially since frog was pretty widely town read yesterday. So, GL is probably right. maybe they thought andres wasn't going to cooperate with bomb solving or something, and then when everyone started to solve right away, frog just tried to do the dirty work. Doesn't explain why he wouldn't just give wrong directions though and not draw so much heat immediately.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

HEAL: GuiltyLion

[VP Baltar]

HEAL: guiltylion

[Greeting]

I guess the frog scum play here was to get catboi, a good player, into a vulnerable position and just kamikaze him? It's kind of silly, especially since frog was pretty widely town read yesterday. So, GL is probably right. maybe they thought andres wasn't going to cooperate with bomb solving or something, and then when everyone started to solve right away, frog just tried to do the dirty work. Doesn't explain why he wouldn't just give wrong directions though and not draw so much heat immediately.

If we assume that everyone is playing towards their wincon, there is no town explanation for

Frogsterking

’s actions. None at all. Zero.

If this was a new player, I could make an assumption that the necessity of saving

catboi

isn’t clear to them and that they could have been misled. But this player has been around for more than 10 years. Incompetence and misunderstanding are out of the question.