KTaNE [game over!]

[Cephrir]

Remember that time(s) I said to stop healing this guy? Whew good thing we ignored that bad idea

[Andresvmb]

Okay both Andante and Greeting are alive so I don’t have to paraphrase the entirety of the PTs reads from catboi, but if that hasn’t happened yet I will get to it (I was preparing that post, and I think that’s important).

[Andresvmb]

After the conclusion of N1, I want to make this very clear so there’s no confusion:

Frogsterking is Scum

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Frogsterking basically outted in the Bomb Expert PT to ensure catboi’s death. Greeting, Andante and I all submitted responses to the puzzle having arrived at the quick conclusion that the switch of catboi and I was the work of Scum to get catboi blown up, and that catboi was Town. Frogsterking delayed submitting their response, and started openly doubting catboi’s alignment while subsequently questioning Andante about their alignment. In response, catboi claimed their role, which was that they would be Mod Confirmed Town if they survived the process of defusing a Bomb. Even after that claim, Frogsterking continued to question catboi, and began trolling the thread. I stated my analysis in the thread (which I’m sure Greeting can confirm), that any Town player playing with a clear mind would immediately see that solving the bomb was the only reasonable conclusion, since catboi would be confirmed either way, and the information would not be lost in the PT. The upside of having a Confirmed Scum the next day, while having solved one bomb, not sufficient in my mind to offset the execution of a member of the Scum Team.

For those that were in the PT, it then became completely obvious that Frogsterking is Scum and that they were actively trying to confuse and annoy the players in the thread. They proposed that players claim as well earlier in the process (which I opposed, but ended up happening anyway), and completely refused to expand on any reads or engage with any arguments in good faith. In the collective view, it was because they didn’t want to give anything away.

Now that this is out of the way, I will summarize catboi’s and Andante’s reads and arguments in a separate post, so that you all can use them for your own purposes.

[Andresvmb]

I had prepared that post before the night ended to roughly summarize the events in the thread in the event I wouldn’t be around.

[Andresvmb]

Let’s make sure we don’t vote out Frogsterking yet until we’ve had the opportunity to heal players and set out strategy and finalize some reads.

[Andresvmb]

Obviously my vote is there in spirit but we don’t have to rush anything.

[VP Baltar]

They proposed that players claim as well earlier in the process

Wait, frogster tried to get everyone in the PT to claim?

[Andresvmb]

They proposed that players claim as well earlier in the process

Wait, frogster tried to get everyone in the PT to claim?

Yes. Others can confirm obviously. And since everyone did claim, we might as well reveal those claims here btw.

[Andresvmb]

@VP

After you see my role flip shoot Andante, andres or Greeting

Whatever your flip, I don't see how andres wasn't scum saved by that fire wagon yesterday.

Also, this feels like a Scum Claim haha and I did say that I felt VPB would be Scum if they’re left alive. You have three players telling you Frog is outted Scum and you put this out?

I think we need to be extremely careful about VPB going forward.

[VP Baltar]

You have three players telling you Frog is outted Scum and you put this out?

check the vote count there, bud.

You think I'm giving you a free pass? Explain your vote on fire yesterday.

[Andresvmb]

Like do you really think if Frog flips Scum, 1772 (or most of the other posts attacking me) is a distancing post? And if I wanted to create theater, do you really think I openly say I would limit my interactions with Frogsterking? I mean that’s a bit absurd.

[Andresvmb]

You have three players telling you Frog is outted Scum and you put this out?

check the vote count there, bud.

You think I'm giving you a free pass? Explain your vote on fire yesterday.

I was sheeping catboi. I was frustrated and felt catboi had a better handle on the game (and I had openly stated a TR there) and so voted with them.

I mean your skepticism of my slot is completely ridiculous. Frog was trying their very best to absolutely bury me. If they’re Scum, you even opening up the possibility that I’m aligned with them is nuts.

[Andresvmb]

You would have to absolutely bury your head in the sand to think that I would distance with Frog like that. With argument put forth in such bad faith. With the reactions I had. Just completely absurd. Like laughably bad. I would flame you forever if that was a genuine push and you ended up Town.

[VP Baltar]

Like do you really think if Frog flips Scum, 1772 (or most of the other posts attacking me) is a distancing post? And if I wanted to create theater, do you really think I openly say I would limit my interactions with Frogsterking? I mean that’s a bit absurd.

I think it's more absurd that you think you should be town read when the end of the fire wagon looked entirely meant to save you. I don't think town you would just brush that off as not looking scummy at all.

If frog flip scum, that helps a town!andres case, but no I don't think it's beyond reason frog could be saving you if you have a better role or something. I have no idea how to explain frog's play!

[VP Baltar]

I mean your skepticism of my slot is completely ridiculous.

lol ok

[Andresvmb]

Hahaha no. If Frog flips Scum, and you decide I need to be executed, you should absolutely expect that I will question your ability to reason properly about alignments in this game. And if you’re Town, it would be such an absurd disappointment. You can say whatever, and that’s fine, but it would be such a horrible conclusion that I would be astounded. There’s like no universe I endorse that level of gaslighting from a Partner.

[VP Baltar]

Frog was trying their very best to absolutely bury me.

Frog probably spent way more time calling me scum yesterday than you, fyi.

[Andresvmb]

If Frog flips Scum, I’m never Scum. Just never the case. It would be sad if you thought that’s a sensible next step.

[VP Baltar]

If Frog flips Scum, I’m never Scum. Just never the case. It would be sad if you thought that’s a sensible next step.

sounds TMI to me. But we can kill froggy, no prob.

[Andresvmb]

Did you even look at the votes Frog put down yesterday? And the arguments? They were LOUDLY arguing for fire + Me as the Scum Team. Like what?!

[Andresvmb]

TMI?! You’re really not this bad. I think this is quite something.

[Bell]

Why are there 17 pages

[Bell]

I have a brain guilty on ceph.

[VP Baltar]

I was sheeping catboi.

This is some scummy shit too. At least admit you voted to save your neck. Don't blame catboi. Take some responsibility for your vote.

Pedit: Belllll. You will have fun I promise.

[Bell]

How come nobody got nked