KTaNE [game over!]

[Greeting]

I think I know what this whole deal was about.

Frogsterking

slipped through into our group without any machinations, but wanted to keep the townreads he gained Day 1. But the scums also wanted to get rid of

catboi

and blame it on a townie.

Andresvmb

got inserted into our group as a result of scum action. I have no doubts about it, because putting him of all players into the group of the most widely townread players while kicking

catboi

into the bomb defuser seat was definitely not meant to benefit town. It became apparent to me,

catboi

and

Andante

instantly that it seems extremely improbable that

Andresvmb

is scum and gets pushed in as bomb defuser like that.

The original plan was probably to have the group go as normal, with

Frogsterking

providing a wrong solution, and when the bomb exploded blame it on

Andresvmb

. But when

Frogsterking

realised we're not buying this, he chose to improvise. And the improvisation was to confuse everyone, which basically resulted in him outing himself as scum.

[Andresvmb]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

We haven't even heard the rationale yet. You're jumping to conclusions

Did you read what Andres posted? It's apparently that my posts with frogs are "theatrical" when it's me burying them and no one listening

To be fair, catboi argued that. Those are not my own original thoughts.

[VP Baltar]

I think I know what this whole deal was about.

Frogsterking

slipped through into our group without any machinations, but wanted to keep the townreads he gained Day 1. But the scums also wanted to get rid of

catboi

and blame it on a townie.

Andresvmb

got inserted into our group as a result of scum action. I have no doubts about it, because putting him of all players into the group of the most widely townread players while kicking

catboi

into the bomb defuser seat was definitely not meant to benefit town. It became apparent to me,

catboi

and

Andante

instantly that it seems extremely improbable that

Andresvmb

is scum and gets pushed in as bomb defuser like that.

The original plan was probably to have the group go as normal, with

Frogsterking

providing a wrong solution, and when the bomb exploded blame it on

Andresvmb

. But when

Frogsterking

realised we're not buying this, he chose to improvise. And the improvisation was to confuse everyone, which basically resulted in him outing himself as scum.

This makes a lot of sense actually.

[Dwlee99]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

We haven't even heard the rationale yet. You're jumping to conclusions

Did you read what Andres posted? It's apparently that my posts with frogs are "theatrical" when it's me burying them and no one listening

To be fair, catboi argued that. Those are not my own original thoughts.

Yes and I'm still annoyed

[Andresvmb]

They were 1-Shot Bulletproof.

Bodyguard was infinity.

Yeah I see that. I’m not trying to act dumb. The point though remains. There’s no reason why there can’t be a Simple Doctor next to a Bodyguard which really doesn’t do much at all. It would just re-direct the shot to themselves. It’s a game with 19 players and I outted my role like first and you haven’t seen a direct counterclaim yet my role is all of a sudden hard to believe. I just don’t get it.

[Andresvmb]

Are we done healing players today?

[Frogsterking]

I think I know what this whole deal was about.

Frogsterking

slipped through into our group without any machinations, but wanted to keep the townreads he gained Day 1. But the scums also wanted to get rid of

catboi

and blame it on a townie.

Andresvmb

got inserted into our group as a result of scum action. I have no doubts about it, because putting him of all players into the group of the most widely townread players while kicking

catboi

into the bomb defuser seat was definitely not meant to benefit town. It became apparent to me,

catboi

and

Andante

instantly that it seems extremely improbable that

Andresvmb

is scum and gets pushed in as bomb defuser like that.

The original plan was probably to have the group go as normal, with

Frogsterking

providing a wrong solution, and when the bomb exploded blame it on

Andresvmb

. But when

Frogsterking

realised we're not buying this, he chose to improvise. And the improvisation was to confuse everyone, which basically resulted in him outing himself as scum.

The problem with this theory is that it gives me WAY too much credit

[Andresvmb]

catboi was not comfortable removing StrangeMatter from the POE ever due to 1629, which they absolutely hated.

[Andresvmb]

They argued it was difficult not to see that post as not coming from someone with an informed mindset.

[Enchant]

Also how tf did enchant go from "dwlee I can't believe you're healing them" to top town without doing anything

Charisma.

[Andresvmb]

I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.

Could've just been giving up and taking down catboi before frog's sick plays made you not need to.

Idk if I buy your role and fire's together given scum already have like 3/4 of a nightkill.

Just no haha if Frog flips Scum, I never have to “just give up”. Like that’s not an intelligent play. You’re arguing I saw that my Scum buddy Frog was voted in as Expert, but then I absolutely had to swap myself in instead of catboi so that they could get nominated and exploded. But unless you’re arguing that I have a role that specifically forces me to swap myself with someone else, I never do that. We could have simply exploded a different Town player (someone perhaps not as obviously Town as catboi), and then not just out a member of the Team by having them act like a complete idiot by ignoring an IC claim and blowing that player up.

Like I never have to be swapped in there as Scum, if Frog is Scum, unless I have a desperate need to blow catboi up and why?! They were defending me! It just doesn’t make sense.

I'm not arguing any of this - I think frog is flipping town as I have said multiple times

If he doesn't, that changes things

I can’t imagine a world where Frog flips Town. I have seen bad Town play. This isn’t it. This is active sabotage. It’s the sort of play that I find so offensive if it were coming from Town that I couldn’t possibly take them seriously ever again. It’s that sort of thing. Like I would hard ignore them forever if they were Town here and acting this way. Seriously no reason to take any of their views seriously ever if this is the sort of Town play that can be expected from them. It’s so devoid of reason, it cannot be even remotely thought of as occurring in good faith. Their posts in the Bomb Expert PT are so beyond the pale, I can’t see them ever flipping Town. If they do, it’ll be so hard to swallow for me.

[Cephrir]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

We haven't even heard the rationale yet. You're jumping to conclusions

Did you read what Andres posted? It's apparently that my posts with frogs are "theatrical" when it's me burying them and no one listening

I skimmed it a bit

I'll evaluate my opinion on this when we have a flip

[Cephrir]

I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.

Could've just been giving up and taking down catboi before frog's sick plays made you not need to.

Idk if I buy your role and fire's together given scum already have like 3/4 of a nightkill.

Just no haha if Frog flips Scum, I never have to “just give up”. Like that’s not an intelligent play. You’re arguing I saw that my Scum buddy Frog was voted in as Expert, but then I absolutely had to swap myself in instead of catboi so that they could get nominated and exploded. But unless you’re arguing that I have a role that specifically forces me to swap myself with someone else, I never do that. We could have simply exploded a different Town player (someone perhaps not as obviously Town as catboi), and then not just out a member of the Team by having them act like a complete idiot by ignoring an IC claim and blowing that player up.

Like I never have to be swapped in there as Scum, if Frog is Scum, unless I have a desperate need to blow catboi up and why?! They were defending me! It just doesn’t make sense.

I'm not arguing any of this - I think frog is flipping town as I have said multiple times

If he doesn't, that changes things

I can’t imagine a world where Frog flips Town. I have seen bad Town play. This isn’t it. This is active sabotage. It’s the sort of play that I find so offensive if it were coming from Town that I couldn’t possibly take them seriously ever again. It’s that sort of thing. Like I would hard ignore them forever if they were Town here and acting this way. Seriously no reason to take any of their views seriously ever if this is the sort of Town play that can be expected from them. It’s so devoid of reason, it cannot be even remotely thought of as occurring in good faith. Their posts in the Bomb Expert PT are so beyond the pale, I can’t see them ever flipping Town. If they do, it’ll be so hard to swallow for me.

I'm genuinely hoping you're right. I don't want to think such poor town play exists on this site

[Enchant]

I can imagine world where Frog flips Town.

I saw worse.
Not enough to try to save him actually.

[Andresvmb]

catboi had mixed feelings about Menalque (thought their interactions with me looked like Town probing, but didn’t like the speed of the hammer). Didn’t see any clearing interactions with Frog. Underscored that they could be looking down on their Scum game a bit after PYP. For the record, I do feel somewhat positive about Menalque overall, but agree with the comment on the hammer not being a great look. Having said that, I don’t think the execution would have landed anywhere else, so I don’t know that I can fault Menalque too much for that.

[Andante]

catboi had mixed feelings about Menalque (thought their interactions with me looked like Town probing, but didn’t like the speed of the hammer). Didn’t see any clearing interactions with Frog. Underscored that they could be looking down on their Scum game a bit after PYP. For the record, I do feel somewhat positive about Menalque overall, but agree with the comment on the hammer not being a great look. Having said that, I don’t think the execution would have landed anywhere else, so I don’t know that I can fault Menalque too much for that.

Mena is town

[Andresvmb]

catboi had mixed feelings about Menalque (thought their interactions with me looked like Town probing, but didn’t like the speed of the hammer). Didn’t see any clearing interactions with Frog. Underscored that they could be looking down on their Scum game a bit after PYP. For the record, I do feel somewhat positive about Menalque overall, but agree with the comment on the hammer not being a great look. Having said that, I don’t think the execution would have landed anywhere else, so I don’t know that I can fault Menalque too much for that.

Mena is town

I did mistakenly voted to Heal them, so I think you know how I’m looking at the slot.

[Menalque]

VOTE: Frogster

E-1

Hammer all yours Andres

Oh lawdie, don’t tempt me

[Andresvmb]

And since The Praetorian is Koba (I was asked about this before but didn’t actually realize that until N1), catboi felt 292 and the successor’s lurking just meant the slot should always be flipped.

[Andante]

lol
everyone: "I wanna hammer frogs!!!"
**frogs chilling on e-1**
no one wants it...

[Menalque]

catboi had mixed feelings about Menalque (thought their interactions with me looked like Town probing, but didn’t like the speed of the hammer). Didn’t see any clearing interactions with Frog. Underscored that they could be looking down on their Scum game a bit after PYP. For the record, I do feel somewhat positive about Menalque overall, but agree with the comment on the hammer not being a great look. Having said that, I don’t think the execution would have landed anywhere else, so I don’t know that I can fault Menalque too much for that.

I’m kidding, but to touch on the hammer — I didn’t believe the claim and wasn’t too fussed on hammering or not. I thought fire had likely seen your claim save you, and was pulling the same thing. Plus, y’know, I like hammering and I’m quite aggro with it

We should try to agree a bit more on experts before ending day i think

[Menalque]

Who is koba!slot again? Mala?

[Menalque]

Assuming frog is scum, we can kill mala or misty tomorrow sure

[Bell]

I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.

Could've just been giving up and taking down catboi before frog's sick plays made you not need to.

Idk if I buy your role and fire's together given scum already have like 3/4 of a nightkill.

Just no haha if Frog flips Scum, I never have to “just give up”. Like that’s not an intelligent play. You’re arguing I saw that my Scum buddy Frog was voted in as Expert, but then I absolutely had to swap myself in instead of catboi so that they could get nominated and exploded. But unless you’re arguing that I have a role that specifically forces me to swap myself with someone else, I never do that. We could have simply exploded a different Town player (someone perhaps not as obviously Town as catboi), and then not just out a member of the Team by having them act like a complete idiot by ignoring an IC claim and blowing that player up.

Like I never have to be swapped in there as Scum, if Frog is Scum, unless I have a desperate need to blow catboi up and why?! They were defending me! It just doesn’t make sense.

I'm not arguing any of this - I think frog is flipping town as I have said multiple times

If he doesn't, that changes things

I can’t imagine a world where Frog flips Town. I have seen bad Town play. This isn’t it. This is active sabotage. It’s the sort of play that I find so offensive if it were coming from Town that I couldn’t possibly take them seriously ever again. It’s that sort of thing. Like I would hard ignore them forever if they were Town here and acting this way. Seriously no reason to take any of their views seriously ever if this is the sort of Town play that can be expected from them. It’s so devoid of reason, it cannot be even remotely thought of as occurring in good faith. Their posts in the Bomb Expert PT are so beyond the pale, I can’t see them ever flipping Town. If they do, it’ll be so hard to swallow for me.

I'm genuinely hoping you're right. I don't want to think such poor town play exists on this site

Second half of sentence is sus.

Pedit: I can hammer the dude, but Andre asked for it and I see no reason to be impolite.

Mala, yeah.

[Menalque]

Yeah, I’m down to have Andres hammer but I wanna look at the heap potential, gimme a sec