Open 848: Chromavalon: A Bouquet of Colors [Game Over]

[butterflies]

Ok the vote counts are not telling me anything. Reading time.

Not even on d1? How is that even possible?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

guaranteed scum in enchant/implosion/umlaut imo. possibly 2. i scumread umlaut and implosion more, but i could be wrong on that

galron kinda scummy

butterflies kinda scummy, maybe, idk, hydras are hard to read

I don't like butterflies scum, but I am scumreading butterflies and implosion.

Galron is null gtmh scum.

Wtf? Are you sr us or not?

What are your thoughts on d1 VCA?

~Nancyfly

[Titus]

I'll catch up this afternoon/evening.

In Anything uPick, you were doing VCAs on d freaking 1, now it’s d2, where is your d1 VCA?

~Nancyfly

I was only doing VCA because nagged. Second VCA needs counterwagons, we aren't getting any. I read people based on their associations with others.

[butterflies]

I'll catch up this afternoon/evening.

In Anything uPick, you were doing VCAs on d freaking 1, now it’s d2, where is your d1 VCA?

~Nancyfly

I was only doing VCA because nagged. Second VCA needs counterwagons, we aren't getting any. I read people based on their associations with others.

Who nagged you in Anything uPick? I thought you loved doing VCAs. When did this change?

~Nancyfly

[furtiveglance]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

You're not making a lot of sense here. Yes Enchant is my strongest scumread. That doesn't mean I am 100% convinced Enchant is mafia, hence Umlaut (another scumread of mine) voting Enchant for a bad reason (policy voting) gave me pause. I did not accuse of Umlaut of thinking Enchant was town. I accused Umlaut of voting Enchant for a bad reason, as policy voting doesn't take a player's alignment into account.

[furtiveglance]

I currently have two theories: Enchant/Titus is my favourite solve, but if Enchant is town I'm looking at Umlaut/implosion. If I had to vote right now I would vote for Enchant, but I want to use more of the day for discussion.

[butterflies]

Can you explain 449 to me. I still don’t know if you’re sr us or not because you seem to be either on the fence or contradicting yourself about that.

Why did you sr Galron and Implosion and what are your reads on the rest of the playerlist?

On d1, you disliked furtive’s oprning post, has your read on him changed since then?

~Nancyfly

[Titus]

guaranteed scum in enchant/implosion/umlaut imo. possibly 2. i scumread umlaut and implosion more, but i could be wrong on that

galron kinda scummy

butterflies kinda scummy, maybe, idk, hydras are hard to read

I don't like butterflies scum, but I am scumreading butterflies and implosion.

Galron is null gtmh scum.

Wtf? Are you sr us or not?

What are your thoughts on d1 VCA?

~Nancyfly

Typo. I am scumreading Enchant and implosion.

[Titus]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

Policy votes are fine, and better sooner than later.

[Titus]

I'll catch up this afternoon/evening.

In Anything uPick, you were doing VCAs on d freaking 1, now it’s d2, where is your d1 VCA?

~Nancyfly

I was only doing VCA because nagged. Second VCA needs counterwagons, we aren't getting any. I read people based on their associations with others.

Who nagged you in Anything uPick? I thought you loved doing VCAs. When did this change?

~Nancyfly

I do love VCA, but I need counters to use it. VCA needs context and other decisions. There was no real counter to Dunn.

[butterflies]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me. I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

You're not making a lot of sense here. Yes Enchant is my strongest scumread. That doesn't mean I am 100% convinced Enchant is mafia, hence Umlaut (another scumread of mine) voting Enchant for a bad reason (policy voting) gave me pause. I did not accuse of Umlaut of thinking Enchant was town. I accused Umlaut of voting Enchant for a bad reason, as policy voting doesn't take a player's alignment into account.

I have bolded your quote. You said you wouldn’t have policy voted someone you thought was town, implying Umlaut thought enchant is town, now you say that isn’t the case. But you did say that, not that he voted enchant for a “bad reason”.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

guaranteed scum in enchant/implosion/umlaut imo. possibly 2. i scumread umlaut and implosion more, but i could be wrong on that

galron kinda scummy

butterflies kinda scummy, maybe, idk, hydras are hard to read

I don't like butterflies scum, but I am scumreading butterflies and implosion.

Galron is null gtmh scum.

Wtf? Are you sr us or not?

What are your thoughts on d1 VCA?

~Nancyfly

Typo. I am scumreading Enchant and implosion.

So, you’re not sr us then? Does that mean you’re tr us?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

Policy votes are fine, and better sooner than later.

Why are policy votes good and do you have any examples of town!you supporting policy votes?
Why don’t you have any reaction to furtive sr you? Why are you specifically focused on Implosion and Galron?

You haven’t explained a single read this entire game, save furtive’s opening post on d1. You never expressed a single read on Dunn before voting him, where as in Happy Face you relentlessly cased him.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

I'll catch up this afternoon/evening.

In Anything uPick, you were doing VCAs on d freaking 1, now it’s d2, where is your d1 VCA?

~Nancyfly

I was only doing VCA because nagged. Second VCA needs counterwagons, we aren't getting any. I read people based on their associations with others.

Who nagged you in Anything uPick? I thought you loved doing VCAs. When did this change?

~Nancyfly

I do love VCA, but I need counters to use it. VCA needs context and other decisions. There was no real counter to Dunn.

You had a main wagon on Dunn and the rest of the playerlist either voting elsewhere or not voting.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

What really perplexes me is that furtive has Titus squarely in their PoE and Titus has expressed no opinion on that.

~Nancyfly

[furtiveglance]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me. I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

You're not making a lot of sense here. Yes Enchant is my strongest scumread. That doesn't mean I am 100% convinced Enchant is mafia, hence Umlaut (another scumread of mine) voting Enchant for a bad reason (policy voting) gave me pause. I did not accuse of Umlaut of thinking Enchant was town. I accused Umlaut of voting Enchant for a bad reason, as policy voting doesn't take a player's alignment into account.

I have bolded your quote. You said you wouldn’t have policy voted someone you thought was town, implying Umlaut thought enchant is town, now you say that isn’t the case. But you did say that, not that he voted enchant for a “bad reason”.

~Nancyfly

The point I was making is that Umlaut should only vote Enchant if he actually scumreads her, not just 'policy' for the lolhammer. I think that's the last I'll say on this matter.

[butterflies]

i mean hardest to catch, yeah probably.

I am.

@Titus, why did you make this post?

~Nancyfly

I would still like an answer to this.

~Nancyfly

[Titus]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

Policy votes are fine, and better sooner than later.

Why are policy votes good and do you have any examples of town!you supporting policy votes?
Why don’t you have any reaction to furtive sr you? Why are you specifically focused on Implosion and Galron?

You haven’t explained a single read this entire game, save furtive’s opening post on d1. You never expressed a single read on Dunn before voting him, where as in Happy Face you relentlessly cased him.

~Nancyfly

This game is strategically different. It's not as wise for me to give too detailed reads, as I tend to be too direct and could out if I am a Merlin. I need some explanation for my reads though to be readable evidently. I am struggling to find that balance.

[Titus]

i mean hardest to catch, yeah probably.

I am.

@Titus, why did you make this post?

~Nancyfly

I have a reputation for being good at scum when active. I am just better at either alignment when active, especially in later days. You aren't familiar with that unless an alt.

[butterflies]

@furtive, what do you make of Titus having 0 response to your sr on them?

~Nancyfly

[Titus]

@furtive, what do you make of Titus having 0 response to your sr on them?

~Nancyfly

I'm actually writing that up as we speak.

[Titus]

Shit my mini read wall got ate. No wonder you see no response.

[butterflies]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

Policy votes are fine, and better sooner than later.

Why are policy votes good and do you have any examples of town!you supporting policy votes?
Why don’t you have any reaction to furtive sr you? Why are you specifically focused on Implosion and Galron?

You haven’t explained a single read this entire game, save furtive’s opening post on d1. You never expressed a single read on Dunn before voting him, where as in Happy Face you relentlessly cased him.

~Nancyfly

This game is strategically different. It's not as wise for me to give too detailed reads, as I tend to be too direct and could out if I am a Merlin. I need some explanation for my reads though to be readable evidently. I am struggling to find that balance.

How would directly explaining your reads out you as a possible Merlin? If you actually are a Merlin than you’d only have one guilty, so you can still make reads on everyone else. And assuming that this is even true, if you have a guilty on a slot, why can’t you come up with either in game or meta reasons to sr them?

~Nancyfly

[furtiveglance]

@furtive, what do you make of Titus having 0 response to your sr on them?

~Nancyfly

It's not really +scum and Titus said they would respond soon, but doesn't change my scumread either.

[butterflies]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

Policy votes are fine, and better sooner than later.

Why are policy votes good and do you have any examples of town!you supporting policy votes?
Why don’t you have any reaction to furtive sr you? Why are you specifically focused on Implosion and Galron?

You haven’t explained a single read this entire game, save furtive’s opening post on d1. You never expressed a single read on Dunn before voting him, where as in Happy Face you relentlessly cased him.

~Nancyfly

This game is strategically different. It's not as wise for me to give too detailed reads, as I tend to be too direct and could out if I am a Merlin. I need some explanation for my reads though to be readable evidently. I am struggling to find that balance.

guaranteed scum in enchant/implosion/umlaut imo. possibly 2. i scumread umlaut and implosion more, but i could be wrong on that

galron kinda scummy

butterflies kinda scummy, maybe, idk, hydras are hard to read

I don't like butterflies scum, but I am scumreading butterflies and implosion.

Galron is null gtmh scum.

Wtf? Are you sr us or not?

What are your thoughts on d1 VCA?

~Nancyfly

Typo. I am scumreading Enchant and implosion.

Hmm . . . interesting.

~Nancyfly