Open 848: Chromavalon: A Bouquet of Colors [Game Over]

[fireisredsir]

Ok, I'm finally back home and ready to blow this game wide open. This post will serve as reads on everyone (10 other players!), and the next post will cover strategy/a previous game I read/confusion.

butterflies

: I townread butterflies. They seem to be actively trying to find mafia, and they explain their thought process behind each vote/suspicion well, which you don't always get here, not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. It's +town that they focus on scumreads rather than townreads. I think I will use this opportunity to answer their questions posed in 70 - thanks for the bone Flea! 1) Read down to find out my suspicions 2) Again, this post has the answers. 3) I haven't played with a hydra before. I now understand that ButterDrew is the same as NancyFly - please keep the names consistent. I haven't really discerned between the two of you - you haven't disagreed on anything yet. That is to say you are just as easy to read as each other because you have been one entity so far. The kind of things I use to scumhunt aren't really be determined by personality - I try not to look at tone or playstyle but rather game analysis/voting.

Galron

: Again, only a few posts, but they are actively voting and seem to be scumhunting which earns them a tentative townlean.

furtive, i notice here that for galron, you start with the phrase "Again, only a few posts". that would imply that someone you previously mentioned also only had a few posts. however, he is 2nd highest on your list, following only butterflies, who had quite a few posts at this point.

do you remember, did you originally have the names in a different order, and switched things around?

[butterflies]

Ok, I'm finally back home and ready to blow this game wide open. This post will serve as reads on everyone (10 other players!), and the next post will cover strategy/a previous game I read/confusion.

butterflies

: I townread butterflies. They seem to be actively trying to find mafia, and they explain their thought process behind each vote/suspicion well, which you don't always get here, not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. It's +town that they focus on scumreads rather than townreads. I think I will use this opportunity to answer their questions posed in 70 - thanks for the bone Flea! 1) Read down to find out my suspicions 2) Again, this post has the answers. 3) I haven't played with a hydra before. I now understand that ButterDrew is the same as NancyFly - please keep the names consistent. I haven't really discerned between the two of you - you haven't disagreed on anything yet. That is to say you are just as easy to read as each other because you have been one entity so far. The kind of things I use to scumhunt aren't really be determined by personality - I try not to look at tone or playstyle but rather game analysis/voting.

Galron

: Again, only a few posts, but they are actively voting and seem to be scumhunting which earns them a tentative townlean.

Gamma Emerald

: Again a low frequency poster, but I like the frankness and direct analytical thought. Townlean

Spoiler:

Dunnstral

: 1 post so no read. Their post was strategy talk rather than analysis - not alignment indicative.

Enchant

: In the null range for me with so few posts. I'd like to see more analysis. My thinking with post count is that it doesn't determine alignment by any means, unless you are below a certain post threshold i.e. extremely low posting is scum indicative. But it's day 1 so we shall see.

ProgoWoshua

: Almost no analysis - the one exception is defending my first post as a joke. I'll have to say no read here.

implosion

: Guilty of giving information rather than analysis. Their one contribution reads-wise seems to be a townlean on me. Despite giving a lot of text and theory, I don't know who they think are scum and they seem to be looking busy rather than actually thinking about the playerlist. Null/scumlean.

Titus

: 89 is just bizarre. How did you not think my first post was a joke? Did you miss the pun? I was serious that I like the setup, yeah. I wasn't serious that I wasn't amused. I was amused by other people's entrances and made a joke about them. This apparent scumread on me is so baseless that it might be too risky for scum to do, as scum would probably be more careful and have more coherent reasoning. That said, I think Titus wanted an easy read and chose me, so they are a scumlean for now.

Umlaut

: I don't like the OMGUS on butterflies. Defending themself is one thing, but how does that correlate with an apparent scumread on butterflies? Although their tone is quite aggressive which is sometimes +town, I don't really like looking at tone so it's a scumlean for now.

Noraa

: Probably my top pick to be mafia. 49 is +scum for 1) giving a vague explanation for suspecting me and 2) the joke about the confirm thing seems to walk back/dismiss their own scumread of me. Beyond this one post, they have spent more time arguing about strategy than their reads (similar to implosion).

VOTE: Noraa

Very insightful catch @fire. Here’s the original post and based off this, maybe he intended to put Gamma second? Which makes me wonder why Gamma died over us.

Btw that composition masterpiece was made by Butterflea who forgot to sign.

~Nancyfly

[fireisredsir]

i have some thoughts but i'd like to see his response before i speculate

[butterflies]

At the beginning of the game, the Mafia Goons are given a list of 5 town, including the 3 Merlins and 2 random Vanilla Townies. They will not know which is which. The Mafia cannot nightkill any of these 5 players on the first night.

Gamma was obviously not on that list but if we die tonight and furtive is scum here, extremely high odds, we were.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Just to give some more serious thoughts on the game, I think implosion's recent posts have been quite towny. I previoualy had them null/scum because I thought their tone was too neutral/informational. I'm finding this game quite difficult to play at the moment. Obviously it's really important to listen to your townreads, but I know I have an important role to play as well.

Just to recap my updated reads, butrerflies, Gamma, implosion, Noraa I think are town. I still townlean Progo just based on gut read. I think Dunnstral, Enchant and Galron are in the null range (the latter for being inactive). I think Titus and Umlaut are my biggest scumreads.

When did your read on Galron change from second highest town to null?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

I admit that I have been scummy. Because of that, I find it suspicious how furtive is still on my side after all this time. Definitely feels like they have some ulterior motive.

The duplication of the phrase "ulterior motive" suggests to me that Progo and Gamma are not scum together; scum!Progo would be hyper-conscious of their buddy's wording and not want to imitate it.

Pedit: oh ffs

This post from Umlaut sticks out to me because it was furtive Progo was referencing not Gamma here, so why no comment on furtive?

I mean I get the “ulterior motive” thing but it’s odd that Umlaut posts this but says nothing about Progo’s suspicion on furtive.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Current reads:

Spoiler:

butterflies

: I reassessed both butterflies and Noraa after that Dunnstral flip, but I've landed town on both. It's not just the high post count, but both players are either playing incredibly transparently or faking a level of transparency that should be impossible to fake.

Noraa

: fireisredsir suggested in 380 that it's unlikely both butterflies and Noraa are town. I had doubts about Noraa yesterday, but ze seem more town than ever after being so wrong. I understand if that doesn't seem logical, but zir doubting in the twilight seemed genuine to me.

fireisredsir

: Progo was null/town but fire has quickly become a strong townread - 380 and 411 are full of analysis which is great. They agree with my scumread on Umlaut and I agree with their take on Enchant which I will explain below.

implosion

: I like the vote on Enchant but not much else beyond that. 288 is too vague, 'maybe Galron or Titus' feels unsubstantiated. They make a lot of posts which are easy for scum to make - 289 is LAMIST. That said I would rather not eliminate implosion as they could become more town for me after some flips.

Galron

: Coasty like me. Not enough for me to get a read on yet.

Titus

:

Voted Dunnstral yesterday with no explanation. Voted implosion today with no explanation. No analysis all game but unlike Galron, I get scummy vibes from Titus. I don't like the day 1 focus on Muses/wifom and she sussed me for a joke in my first post. I think I can tell when other town suspect me, and this is not it. A red flip wouldn't surprise me at all, and I can now see an Enchant/Titus pair after she 1) failed to mention the lolhammer yesterday and 2)voted implosion who later voted Enchant.

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me. I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

Spoiler:

Enchant

: Hammered a town, then had some very awkward twilight chat. Not good. Other players have mentioned that 'lolhammering' is part of Enchant's meta, but like fireisredsir said in 411, her play seems scum-motivated to me. I'm slightly wary of voting for Enchant as implosion and Umlaut have started the vote quite early today, and they are null and scum respectively for me. However, individually Enchant is my biggest scumread.

If furtive is scum, Titus is being positioned as an enchant buddy. This despite having Umlaut as a consistent scumread.

The fact that he references Titus voting Implosion makes me think if he’s scum, he’s possibly spewing Implosion town here?

So, if I’m right on my solve, I think enchant flips scum and furtive pushes Titus as his buddy despite having a consistent scumread on Umlaut who tried to earlier shade Progro for sussing furtive.


~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

enchant, furtive, Umlaut

I think this is very likely the team and we win with this solve.

~Nancyfly

[Titus]

VOTE: Enchant

[furtiveglance]

Ok, I'm finally back home and ready to blow this game wide open. This post will serve as reads on everyone (10 other players!), and the next post will cover strategy/a previous game I read/confusion.

butterflies

: I townread butterflies. They seem to be actively trying to find mafia, and they explain their thought process behind each vote/suspicion well, which you don't always get here, not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. It's +town that they focus on scumreads rather than townreads. I think I will use this opportunity to answer their questions posed in 70 - thanks for the bone Flea! 1) Read down to find out my suspicions 2) Again, this post has the answers. 3) I haven't played with a hydra before. I now understand that ButterDrew is the same as NancyFly - please keep the names consistent. I haven't really discerned between the two of you - you haven't disagreed on anything yet. That is to say you are just as easy to read as each other because you have been one entity so far. The kind of things I use to scumhunt aren't really be determined by personality - I try not to look at tone or playstyle but rather game analysis/voting.

Galron

: Again, only a few posts, but they are actively voting and seem to be scumhunting which earns them a tentative townlean.

furtive, i notice here that for galron, you start with the phrase "Again, only a few posts". that would imply that someone you previously mentioned also only had a few posts. however, he is 2nd highest on your list, following only butterflies, who had quite a few posts at this point.

do you remember, did you originally have the names in a different order, and switched things around?

Yeah, I always start with the order the mod gives on page 1 then order reads from town to scum

[furtiveglance]

Just to give some more serious thoughts on the game, I think implosion's recent posts have been quite towny. I previoualy had them null/scum because I thought their tone was too neutral/informational. I'm finding this game quite difficult to play at the moment. Obviously it's really important to listen to your townreads, but I know I have an important role to play as well.

Just to recap my updated reads, butrerflies, Gamma, implosion, Noraa I think are town. I still townlean Progo just based on gut read. I think Dunnstral, Enchant and Galron are in the null range (the latter for being inactive). I think Titus and Umlaut are my biggest scumreads.

When did your read on Galron change from second highest town to null?

~Nancyfly

Posting declined proportional to game time

[numberQ]

Spoiler: Flowers

Édouard Manet,

Two Roses on a Tablecloth

(ca. 1882-83)

Vote Count (2.5)

butterflies

[0]

Enchant

[2]

Umlaut, Titus
fireisredsir

[0]

furtiveglance

[1]

butterflies
Galron

[0]

implosion

[1]

fireisredsir
Noraa

[0]

Titus

[0]

Umlaut

[0]

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to eliminate.

Not Voting:

Enchant, furtiveglance, Galron, implosion, Noraa

Deadline:

April 14th, 2022, 4:15 PM EST ((expired on 2022-04-14 16:15:00))

[furtiveglance]

I don't want to rush today but in case people missed my intent to vote Enchant I will vote her now

VOTE: Enchant

[butterflies]

Enchant is now at E-2 and Noraa is V/LA until Monday. Who wants to bet one of us, Noraa or fire dies tonight? I’m sure that speeding up the designated nk - probably us - has nothing whatsoever to do with the speed of this wagon.

Why I’m not voting Enchant despite having him in my PoE? Because I don’t want to help Umlaut and furtive bus, because I want as much time as possible to convince town on my solve, so I don’t due in vain.

One Enchant is hammered, I can’t do that.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

VOTE: Enchant

What do you think of my entire solve? Why help scum likely bus?

But most importantly, why don’t you want to wait for Noraa who’s on V/LA until Monday to rush this wagon?

And I would think you wouldn’t want to rush this vote with furtive, positioning you with Enchant?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

I don't want to rush today but in case people missed my intent to vote Enchant I will vote her now

VOTE: Enchant

Any reason for this?

-Butterflea

[butterflies]

We shouldn’t rush this day until people have a chance to solve. We likely help scum bus, obvtown gets whacked and Noraa doesn’t even get a chance to weigh in first? Will the world end if we wait for Noraa to post first?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

I don't want to rush today

but in case people missed my intent to vote Enchant I will vote her now

VOTE: Enchant

Nah putting a slot at E - 2 when a pretty obvious town player just requested V/LA until Monday is definitely not “rushing”.



~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

We can afford to wait until at least Monday for Noraa to catch up, can’t we?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

I don't want to rush today but in case people missed my intent to vote Enchant I will vote her now

VOTE: Enchant

VOTE: furtive

Congrats, you just became my #1 scumread for putting the wagon at E - 2 after I pushed you.

~Nancyfly

[fireisredsir]

generally agree with you there butterflies, im not sure if your exact solve would be my top choice but i think it's close. im still considering if implosion or galron fits in there somewhere

and i think waiting for noraa is a good idea

[implosion]

I really don't see how butterflies is scum here. They're asking pointed questions, they feel like they're solving without really having an agenda.

furtive posting another reads list and then using that to direct his further posting is... eeh. I mean I criticized the first one for dropping a reads list and then leaving, and that's not what's being done here, but I just feel mediocre about a read-list-centered approach to the game. It's an easy way to present opinions changing over time without having to deal with the nuances of having them change in the moment, as they sometimes do for townies. It's kind of a rhetorical thing. I don't think it's wildly scummy but I can see him as scum. The titus + enchant -> implo + umlaut thing is also a little overwrought I think.

I'm kind of inclined to townread Titus but I can't give a great reason for it.

Still a few pages to catch up on.

[implosion]

+ implosion - I don't like their general attitude towards the thread and blaming others for their mistakes. His response, accurate or not, was to out his beliefs on a Merlin.

I really have no idea what this is referring to but I don't really feel the desire to continue discussion on merlin-related anything so.

I want to hear on the logic around Umlaut-scum from whoever.

I guess I'm willing to drop fire for now. Still want to possibly revisit, idk, but I can see where townreads are coming from at this point.

[Enchant]

I just yawned and you seems to build some theories and teams, even not seeing what i will flip. And you already try to lim people instead, because they bussing me?

I don't know, how i supposed to approach that. I have some idea where it comes from though.

[implosion]

got any reads?